Duur dagsorg

[Antoinette]

Ek kry die idee 99% van mense kla oor hoe duur dagsorg in Australie is in vergelyking met Suid-Afrika. Dagsorg vir 'n kind in Suid-Afrika is gemiddeld R1500 per maand? (Ek is nie seker nie, want my kinders is nie in dagsorg nie). Ek is egter seker dit is minder as die maandelikse paaiement op 'n viertrekvoertuig in Suid-Afrika. Daar is vir my iets fout met 'n gemeenskap waar die ouers meer betaal aan hul kar as vir die vrou wat na hul kinders omsien.

Antoinette

Edited September 21, 2007 by Antoinette

[Alibaba]

Ek betaal R500 per maand vir dagsorg vir 11 ure per dag (nie dat sy so lank daar bly nie, siestog), 49 weke van die jaar. As persentasie van my salaris is dit baie minder as wat dit in Aus sal wees (in Aus sal dit omtrent 10 keer meer kos as persentasie van my potensiële salaris). Ek betaal my bediende meer vir minder ure in 'n week. Die mense wat 'n dagsorg behartig doen dit definitief vir die liefde van die saak, hulle sal nooit ryk word daaruit nie en dis harde werk.

Stem saam dat my kind baie meer as 'n aardse besitting werd is!

In Aus moedig hulle vrouens aan om by hulle kinders te bly vir die eerste paar jaar en onthou alle arbeid in Aus is duur.

[DesV]

You must remmber that in Australia if you got a job looking after Childen you would expect to earn a living wage and you will earn a decent wage you can not really begrudge the cost of child care knowing that you would certainly not do the job for a unrealistically low salary.

but i do agree it is a big choice of is it worth it to go back to work or to stay home till the kids go to school.

[Michelle M]

Ek dink nie dis heeltemal regverdig om so 'n statement te maak nie.

Ek het 2 kinders wat dagsorg toe moet gaan. In SA het ek R3500 vir die 2 van hulle 'n maand betaal, in Melbourne kos dit my nou $2300 per maand vir die 2 wat uitwerk op +-R14 000. Ek betaal vir my kar in Aus $800 en vir my huis $1477. Daycare is duur en al verstaan ek dat die mense wat na die kinders kyk goeie salarisse moet kry want dis 'n baie belangrike werk, bly dit nog steeds baie geld om 'n maand te moet uithaal. Ek betaal $61.50 per kwartaal vir my seuntjie in laerskool in Melbourne. Daar is duidelik 'n groot verskil. Plus dis baie moeilik om plek in daycare te kry want almal is vol. Dit sou baie gehelp het as die regering ook bietjie bygedra het soos hulle doen met die laer en hier skole. Dis selfs nog moeiliker as mens op 'n 457 visa hier is.

$2300 per maand is omtrent 2/3 van die gemiddelde salaris hier. Ek dink nie enige iemand in SA kan bekostig om 2/3 van hulle salaris op skoolgeld te spandeer nie.

My kinders is my lewe en dis hoekom ons die groot skuif gemaak het - vir hulle. Maar dit maak dit baie moeilik om te cope hier omdat daycare so duur is en mens het nie die support structure wat jy by die huis gehad het nie so jy is verplig om daai pryse te betaal.

Groete

Michelle

[Overtaker]

looks about right... For my 3 kids, daycare would have been $3250 per month...

Its ludicrous.

If you've got PR you can get a rebate on that, but with both parents earning engineering salaries, we're at the wrong end of the scale for any rebate to make much of a difference when we get our PR.

That's why we went the Au Pair route. That's about $1200 a month, and she's around most of the time. Its still expensive compared to daycare in RSA, but much cheaper than the alternatives here...

Well, almost... you could get your kids a day pass on the bus and leave them touring the city for $7.50 a day... That works outs to about $160 a month. Just pack in their lunch and a book to read.

Edited September 27, 2007 by Overtaker

[Michelle M]

Well, almost... you could get your kids a day pass on the bus and leave them touring the city for $7.50 a day... That works outs to about $160 a month. Just pack in their lunch and a book to read.

lol - I might just do that

Where do you stay and how did you decide on which au pair to use. I also considered it but do not know where to start looking for one. Do you know of any good agencies that I can contact.

Regards

Michelle

[DesV]

Well now there is a business oportunity dont complain about the cost of day care do it as a business and make a good living.

[Annette]

Die regering probeer om dit juis nie maklik te maak vir ouers om kinders in dagsorg te los nie omdat die navrosing bewys dat dit beter is vir hulle om deur hulle eie ouer grootgemaak te word.

[Michelle M]

Die regering probeer om dit juis nie maklik te maak vir ouers om kinders in dagsorg te los nie omdat die navrosing bewys dat dit beter is vir hulle om deur hulle eie ouer grootgemaak te word.

Damn regering wat te veel omgee

[anita1]

Michelle,

Ek stem ten volle met jou saam en ek sit tussen die duiwel en die diep blou see. Ek wil graag my beroep beoefen, maar sal dit dalk vir 'n aantal jaar nie kan doen nie tot my seuntjie skoolgaande ouderdom bereik. Ondertussen sal ek 'n weg moet vind om my bemarkbaar te hou, tot ek tot die mark kan betree oor 3 jaar. Ek weet nie of dit hoegenaamd moontlik is nie. Miskien maar deeltydse werk doen, hoewel ek twyfel of dit in my veld beskikbaar is. Verder sal daar dalk nie vir die 2 ouer kinders geld beskikbaar baar wees vir hul buitemuurse aktiwiteite (klavier, viool, dans en kitaarlesse en netbal en krieket)sonder 'n 2de inkomste nie.

Ons is ook met 'n 457 hier en ek kan beaam dat die kinders die grootste oorweging was toe ons besluit het om hierheen te kom.

Aan die ander kant sal dit ook lekker wees om by my seuntjie te bly tot hy skool toe gaan - hy is die laatlammetjie, maar ek is bekommerd daaroor dat ek dalk oor 3 jaar heel onder sal moet begin in my beroep.

Groete

Anita

Ek dink nie dis heeltemal regverdig om so 'n statement te maak nie.

Ek het 2 kinders wat dagsorg toe moet gaan. In SA het ek R3500 vir die 2 van hulle 'n maand betaal, in Melbourne kos dit my nou $2300 per maand vir die 2 wat uitwerk op +-R14 000. Ek betaal vir my kar in Aus $800 en vir my huis $1477. Daycare is duur en al verstaan ek dat die mense wat na die kinders kyk goeie salarisse moet kry want dis 'n baie belangrike werk, bly dit nog steeds baie geld om 'n maand te moet uithaal. Ek betaal $61.50 per kwartaal vir my seuntjie in laerskool in Melbourne. Daar is duidelik 'n groot verskil. Plus dis baie moeilik om plek in daycare te kry want almal is vol. Dit sou baie gehelp het as die regering ook bietjie bygedra het soos hulle doen met die laer en hier skole. Dis selfs nog moeiliker as mens op 'n 457 visa hier is.

$2300 per maand is omtrent 2/3 van die gemiddelde salaris hier. Ek dink nie enige iemand in SA kan bekostig om 2/3 van hulle salaris op skoolgeld te spandeer nie.

My kinders is my lewe en dis hoekom ons die groot skuif gemaak het - vir hulle. Maar dit maak dit baie moeilik om te cope hier omdat daycare so duur is en mens het nie die support structure wat jy by die huis gehad het nie so jy is verplig om daai pryse te betaal.

Groete

Michelle

[Smartie]

Hi there,

Do the kids start "school" at 5 years old in Oz? As I wanna try and work out when the AUD 1000 per month will stop and proper school will take over at a much cheaper rate (PR visa). Yes I also love my job here in SA but I will not work when we get to Oz provided hubbie can support us until my little one starts school. By the way a friend of mine gets an approx 30% rebate on her kids "play group fee". She does not work but allows her son to play at the local community centre 3 times a week for which she pays.

[Ungerers (Tanja U)]

Antoinette,

Ek dink jy moet dit in perspektief sien. Werk uit wat jy nou betaal as 'n persentasie van jou inkomste en dan as 'n persentasie van jou inkomste in Oz.

Glo my, as jy R30 000 nou verdien gaan jy definatief nie R20 000 aan daycare spandeer nie.

Ek dink ons almal wil die beste vir ons kinders he en om dit te question beteken nie ons stel ons 4x4s eerste nie.

Ek gaan ook maar my career op sy skuif om na my twee seuntjies te kyk want dit is vir my beter om hulle self groot te maak en minder te verdien as wat iemand anders hulle grootmaak en ek in elk geval net my salaris vir daycare spandeer.

Elke ouer moet maar besluit wat vir hulle gaan werk.

Cheers

T

[Guest Die Carelsen's]

Hallo Almal,

Het hulle iets soos 'n dagmoeder in OZ nie, (dalk 'n Ouma van Suid-Afrika wat haar kleinkinders mis en die plekkie wil vul deur na ander kinders om te sien nie), maar op 'n kleiner groep as wat 'n mens in daycare kry nie.

Is dit toelaatbaar. As sal so iets verkies want dan sal my seuntjie ook nie sy ouma te veel mis nie. Wat is die rates wat 'n mens dan na kyk vir so iets?

Dankie,

Tania

[Michelle M]

Hallo Almal,

Het hulle iets soos 'n dagmoeder in OZ nie,

Hi Tania,

Daar is dagmoeders, hulle noem dit family care. Dit is gewoonlik 'n ma wat na haar eie kind/ers kyk en dan na ander mense sinne ook (nie meer as 4 kinders nie). Dit is ook maar duur. Dit kos enige iets tussen $4.8 tot $9 per uur. Dan moet jy nog jou eie kos saam stuur.

Ek hoop dit help.

Groete

Michelle

[Overtaker]

lol - I might just do that

Where do you stay and how did you decide on which au pair to use. I also considered it but do not know where to start looking for one. Do you know of any good agencies that I can contact.

Regards

Michelle

Michelle,

I stay in Perth.

We did a search for au pair on the interweb and came up with a number of sites. you can register for free on all of them, but if you want to actually contact anyone, then you need to pay registration. We chose one site which we liked the most (personal preference really) paid the registration and contacted a couple of the au pairs. Once we found one we liked and that liked us, we contacted references and her parents, and eventually she jumped on a plane and now she's here.

In choosing, I guess you need to look at what they enjoy - ie are they party animals and like eating out? have they travelled the world? Can they speak english (they're gonna influence how your kids talk / write / etc)? We found some who come from fairly wealthy families and have expectations of the host family eating out often, going on regular site seeing tours etc etc etc. If that's your lifestyle, then great, but if not then it could be a mismatch of expectations.

I guess other things to look out for are religion, smoking, alergies, how long they can stay (3m to 1y), who is paying for flights, etc etc etc... At the end of the day, I guess one needs to trust God, take the plunge and hope you get someone who fits in well with the family and who can meet the objectives of having an au pair...

We looked at agencies, but found it to be more expensive - obviously they take a cut of the contract amount. Hence going through the website may be more risky, though it doesn't need to be.

I can't remember all the sites, they're on my home PC, but the one we used is www.newaupair.com. there is also www.greataupair.com. There are 3 or 4 others, including one dedicated to Australia.

Hope that helps.

Rich

Hi there,

Do the kids start "school" at 5 years old in Oz? As I wanna try and work out when the AUD 1000 per month will stop and proper school will take over at a much cheaper rate (PR visa). Yes I also love my job here in SA but I will not work when we get to Oz provided hubbie can support us until my little one starts school. By the way a friend of mine gets an approx 30% rebate on her kids "play group fee". She does not work but allows her son to play at the local community centre 3 times a week for which she pays.

I'm still trying to figure this one out.

My son is 4 turning 5 this year and he goes to Kindy two days a week. Next year he goes to year 0 five days a week. then he starts "real school" when he turns 7. but his birthday is in the latter half of teh year. My youngest daughter's birthday in June and starts the whole process a year earlier - ie kindy when she turns 4, year 0 when she turns 5 and real school when she turns 6.

hope that helps.

[Guest Die Carelsen's]

Hi Tania,

Daar is dagmoeders, hulle noem dit family care. Dit is gewoonlik 'n ma wat na haar eie kind/ers kyk en dan na ander mense sinne ook (nie meer as 4 kinders nie). Dit is ook maar duur. Dit kos enige iets tussen $4.8 tot $9 per uur. Dan moet jy nog jou eie kos saam stuur.

Ek hoop dit help.

Groete

Michelle

Dankie Michelle,

Ek dink die beste is maar om te sien wat werk die bester uit vir ons as ons eers daar is.

[Smartie]

Hi there,

Thanks for that.

So is Year "0" the first year of proper school like our grade "R" in SA?

Thanks so much

Smartie

[Chantelle D]

Ek betaal R880 per maand vir my seuntjie hy is nou amper 4. Het eers op 2 jr kleuterskonol toe gegaan. Hulle vra by dieselfse skool R1000 per maand vir baba's.

Ek dink ook dis beter vir die kinders by die huis maar in SA dink ek nie dis altyd moontlik nie en ek dink sommige mense sal nie afskaal op luukses om eerder tuis te bly en kiddies groot te maak nie.

En glo my dis HARDE 24 uur 'n dag werk wat net nooit ophou nie.... Maar baie middae as my jongste seuntjie in my arms le en aan die slaap raak vir sy middag slapie weet ek dis die moeite werd.

Ek weet waar hy is wat hy eet en wat hy doen 24/7 as my ouer seuntjie nie wil skooltoe gaan nie dan bly hy by die huis. Die kleuterskool is eintlik my backup want het niemand anders om te kyk as ek iets moet gaan doen en hy kan nie saam gaan nie...

[Overtaker]

Ek betaal R880 per maand vir my seuntjie hy is nou amper 4. Het eers op 2 jr kleuterskonol toe gegaan. Hulle vra by dieselfse skool R1000 per maand vir baba's.

Ek dink ook dis beter vir die kinders by die huis maar in SA dink ek nie dis altyd moontlik nie en ek dink sommige mense sal nie afskaal op luukses om eerder tuis te bly en kiddies groot te maak nie.

En glo my dis HARDE 24 uur 'n dag werk wat net nooit ophou nie.... Maar baie middae as my jongste seuntjie in my arms le en aan die slaap raak vir sy middag slapie weet ek dis die moeite werd.

Ek weet waar hy is wat hy eet en wat hy doen 24/7 as my ouer seuntjie nie wil skooltoe gaan nie dan bly hy by die huis. Die kleuterskool is eintlik my backup want het niemand anders om te kyk as ek iets moet gaan doen en hy kan nie saam gaan nie...

Guys,

For this amount of money, an au pair is really a bargain and I believe worth considering. It means your kid is at home, so you can keep an eye on things, but also you have an extra set of hands to help. Also you have "day care" from early til late as you require it, but typically 40 hours a week, which is more than you get at normal day care. And you can go out for an evening if you want...

We've found there are a lot of graduate teachers that want to take a few months to a year off before working, and this is great as they can also help with teaching your kid the basics.

Just my 2 cents (again)

cheers

[kangaroo]

What are the average hours for day care in Aus? Is it traditional work hours i.e. +- 7-8 hours?

Do some of the day care facilities offer long-day care? If yes, do the child minder then charge an additional fee?

[Michelle M]

What are the average hours for day care in Aus? Is it traditional work hours i.e. +- 7-8 hours?

Do some of the day care facilities offer long-day care? If yes, do the child minder then charge an additional fee?

It differs from place to place.

The school my kids go to ask $275/child/week from 7:30 - 17:30 and $310 from 7:00 - 18:00. $30 per 30min per carer penalty if you are late. Other schools have a flat rate $290 per child per week 7:00 - 18:00.

So it depends - and this is just for Melbourne. Other states might be different.

Cheers

Michelle

[Sam]

$275/child/week from 7:30 - 17:30 and $310 from 7:00 - 18:00. $30 per 30min per carer penalty if you are late. Other schools have a flat rate $290 per child per week 7:00 - 18:00.

That is a lot of money. It's not difficult to see why lots of Aussie moms abandon their careers to raise kids. When I pass cafes in the morning they are all filled with prams & moms in tracksuits. The next set of babyboomers here in Victoria are expanding and childcare facilities are cashing in... unfortunately.

[Nats123]

Hi All,

I can definately relate and also say that daycare is very expensive.

My daughter is luckily in GRade 2 now and will start Year 3 in AUS early next year.

But my son is turning 3 now and will have to go to daycare as both my husband and I have careers.

Recently when I visited AUS I went to visit a day care centre : ABC very very nice. Well for the price I suppose it has to be.

But I heard of something else that is scaring me a bit Kindi!

How does this work and how do kids get there as it seems to be at different timeslots?

Thanks

T