Jacques Voogt Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Hi GuysSorry for taking a month to write this, but it took a month to experience it as well and I thought one should try to be objective and not filled with emotion of the experience at the time of writing.I'll throw a few pictures on the web somewhere and link to them soon. Just waiting for new months data cap. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Voogt Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 LSD – I came, I saw, I decided.Disclaimer: These are the opinions and views of thewriter and are not in any form or way an attack of any sorts on any person orentity and were written with a good helping of some vino. J The reader is entitledto the readers own opinions… and preferred beverage for reading posts likethese.First let’s look at why we went on an LSD trip in thefirst place. South Africa is no longer a country I can be proud about. We nolonger lead in technology or any expertise worth mentioning. Our flag no longerresemble our history and origins. I do not know the meaning of or understandour anthem. After only 4 generations in RSA it is no longer a land ofopportunity and future for us. I’m not interested in a political or racialdebate. All over the world where people are being oppressed, they move to othercountries where they can get a proper education and build a future. This isexactly what our current leaders did when they did not have opportunity intheir own country and see what they have reached by doing so. Instead of beingseen as cowards and verraaiers, they should be seen as heroes andrepresentatives for our future generations. It is not easy as a foreigner inanother country but it seems it may be easier than for a citizen in my owncountry. Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love being out in nature and mypreferred place to be is in the Kruger. Absolutely nothing can replace thebeauty of the majestic African animals we take for granted.InitialimpressionsInitially you find everything strange and different andyou end up taking pictures of the weirdest things and sign boards and of courseall the beautiful parks and play areas for kids, clean streets, ATM mounted ina shop window, etc. But after some time, it’s just another well kept park andjust another clean street. This is the point when other things start to botheryou, “It’s too hot here”, “They have flies here” “The last train or bus is tooearly for my liking and not frequent enough, I’ll have to actually buy a car togo further from the city than 100km. By the look of it, the people seemhealthy. Sure, you’ll find a few obese people here and there, but in general,the average Aussie looked fairly in shape. Perhaps it is because they usepublic transport and walk a lot, perhaps it is because they clean their ownhomes and maintain their own gardens, perhaps it is because they jog or cyclein recreational areas where it is seemingly safe. Either way, reviewingpictures of myself… I need to change a few things.Crime and ClimateI can bore you with endless statistics and data, fromcrime to finances to number of sunny or rainy days for each of the cities we visitedand compared to our home town of Pretoria. But, like us, you can find thatonline already. Now if you are anything like me, you will have you own criteriaof what is important to you and you might want to experience it for yourself.It is very interesting to see a man hunt for a simple car thief unfolding onthe news with the 40 cops, dogs and chopper not giving up until he is found acouple of hours later. They do have violent crime. One elderly man held up apharmacist with a tiny knife and asked for his prescription for free. Inanother incident a man was asleep in his car when robbers smashed his windowsand pepper sprayed him. When they told him they want his wallet, he told themthat he will not give it to them. They ran off. There was also an attempted highjacking. It truly feels like you are in Hawaii Five O or CSI and the crimes aredealt with promptly and are resolved by the end of the episode.Arrogance vs. FriendlinessI have spoken to some people before that also went on anLSD trip. Some came back and said the Aussies are arrogant. Well then, I amsure they are. If you go into an area that is fenced off and has a clearlymarked sign to say you are not to enter, expect some arrogant person to tellyou off. You are messing with the rules of this land and the people and ruleswill mess with you. So if you have no self discipline and like bending therules, especially on the roads and in public places, then perhaps don’t bothergoing to Oz. You will not like it and it will not like you. But we found theAussies to be a friendly bunch as stated in the beginning of this post.Heaven or HellAustralia is not the land of milk and honey, (of maanskynen rose soos ons sou sê) you will still have people around you, and people arethe cause of most of our problems. The people in Australia are however, for themost part, civilized, friendly, respectful and honest with the usualexceptions. There is a bit of a language barrier as I can currently only speakAfrikaans and English. Australians speak Australian, it is not English. It mayvery well be similar but the mannerisms, accent and “street lingo” (impliedmeanings of words or sentences with different meaning) differ a lot and youwill find yourself having to repeat yourself sometimes or having to ask othersto rephrase what they just said. When the customs officer asked me what I hadin my luggage, I answered straight to the point and he responded with “catch yalater”. I was not sure if he meant he’ll set a trap for me at a later stage ordid he mean we are going to have a few beers and a braai later. Anyways, hishand gesture seemed to indicate that we may leave, so we did. This not onlycauses confusion, but serves to show some small difficulties foreigners such asus will encounter and eventually get used to.Public transportDuring our trip we explicitly wanted to make use ofpublic transport and amenities as these would show how well a place isfunctioning and maintained and in most cases reflect similar conditions inother segments of industry such as medical, policing etc. Each city has theirown public transport network. Fairly clean, affordable and surprisingly on timein most cases. Closer to city centers the trains and busses are of course morefrequent and here will be a shorter distance between each stop (1km for trainsand 100m for busses). Further out (50Km +) of the city you can expect trains torun every hour or so and stations tend to be up to 10km apart. There were veryfew places that you could not reach by using the public transport. So going towork and back would not be too much of a hassle, however I would recommend atleast 1 car per family to occasionally escape the rat race or do somegroceries. Busses are inherently affected by traffic and are occasionally late,however for the most part, they are reasonably close to the schedule aspublished on the net. The only problem we had was that our navigation was basedon real maps and geographical data, while the bus and train routes areindicated on schematics often referring to the street name or a nearbylocation. So when we want to go from A to B we were not always sure if a buswould pass there and where exactly the stop would be in relation to where wewanted to be. However, every time you use the system, you learn the route andsoon it becomes second nature.TechnologyAll over it seems like the Aussies tend to use technologyto automate things or reduce the amount of physical labor required and henceincrease productivity or quality of life. In sharp contrast, in RSA it would becondemned because it would be considered as taking away jobs. Instead in RSA wewould try and see how many people we can get to do the same thing, reducingproductivity but increasing costs. Even the busses run on natural gas, andexhaust fumes are pointed upwards, not at pedestrians next to the road. I alsosaw only 1 diesel spewing vehicle during our month long stay. Presumably theirlaws against pollution are being enforced, unlike where we come from.PricesAs someone on an LSD trip you HAVE TO CONVERT as you areusing Rands at an unimaginable rate. However when you are comparing lifestyles,you have to CALCULATE PERCENTAGE OF INCOME for everything. That is two totallydifferent things with only the latter really mattering when you live in Oz. Sobased on our occupations and salary surveys for RSA and Oz, I have come to thissimple conclusion. Everything made in Oz (housing, food, clothes, services)will cost the same to slightly higher percentage of your salary as in RSA.Everything made in China (Cars, TV, computers) is halve the percentage ofincome than in RSA. So you should be able to buy the same food, similar house,bigger TV, bigger car and have to do a bit of cleaning yourself compared toRSA. And if you managed to save 10% of your income per month in RSA you shouldbe able to save the same 10% of income in Oz but that would be worth double ina world economy compared to your RSA savings. So don’t expect visitors from RSAthat often. Given the ratios of value of money you will be more likely to visitRSA twice for every visit you receive. They simply cannot afford it.Deciding on acity.We all like certain things. Some love the cosmopolitanvibe of a big city center while I call it a rat race, others would not want toset foot on a farm while I’d call it heaven. In my decision criteria I use a simplifiedmodel of life, a relationship between live, work and play and other topicscategorized under these 3 aspects. Since I live for 24 hours a day, work for 8 ofthose and play perhaps 2 hours a day. I have arranged them in order ofimportance, making climate and the place where we live very important. I playoutdoors, I run and cycle and fish and go hiking and rowing. I do not play xboxso I need the climate to be good to play. Play time is limited, so conditionshave to be good to fit play time into my schedule at specific times. At home, Ialso like gardening and tinkering in a workshop as opposed to simply sittinginside reading books or watching TV, so again the climate must allow for that.Travel to work and back must also be tolerable. I still do not understand whymen have to wear closed shoes, socks, trousers and a long sleeve shirt,sometimes with a tie in the middle of summer while ladies are allowed to wearsandals and a short light summer dress with open shoulders. It is stupid. (Themale dress code part) Work wise, depending on the type of work, you might havean air conditioning that helps to control the climate, but you may also have todo maintenance in a factory or outside where climate will have a much greatereffect. We also did not have the means to visit all the different cities as wedo not earn that much here in RSA. One city I’d love to visit, is Melbourne.Sydney:LiveHousing: Oh dear! Absolutely horrendous. We have not beenthrough each and every suburb and street but most of those we went throughlooked terribly old and not maintained with a few decent looking homes here andthere and then the shocker when it comes to the price. Manly looked a bitbetter with more decent looking houses than scrappies, but the prices wereunimaginable. What we found was that within the city center you would have morehigh-rise apartment buildings and the further out, the newer, more spacious andaffordable it becomes. Still not cheap, just more in an affordable price range.I understand why it is the most expensive city in the world. So if we were tolive in Sydney we would have to either live in an apartment in the city centeror travel very far every day. The latter is what we are currently doing in RSA.Traveling from Pretoria to Johannesburg and it consumes a big chunk of ouravailable time and money in exchange for better living conditions.Within the city center trains are regular, down to 3 or 5minutes between each other. At night they run less frequently but until about 2or something. They also seem to go anywhere you like and fares are not thatexpensive. There are some coaches that look really old and some look brand new.There is also lots of vandalism visible everywhere close to the rail. Ferriesare pretty much like big floating busses. However, if you want to go furtherout, to the Blue Mountains for instance, it is better to use a car as you mayhave 1 train every hour or 2 depending on the day, time and place you want togo to. So you want to live close to work during the week and take the car outfurther on weekends. At the same time you also do not want to stare into your neighbor'swall 1 meter from your window. That is firstly very difficult to find closer tothe city center and secondly reserved for the wealthiest of the population. Itis very busy in the streets, even at 11PM you will see people having a picnicin the park or going to their favorite entertainment spot. We never feltuneasy or being watched by guys just standing around like we do here at home. Everyoneseemed to be either going somewhere or busy doing something. We never heardanyone speaking Afrikaans and the receptionist at our hotel was surprised thatwe weren’t black, being from South Africa, and all. Score 7WorkAs the biggest city, it goes without saying that therewill be more work opportunities. At the same time, given this lure, we wouldalso have to face more competition for these opportunities. We both currentlywork in the corporate financial services or IT sector, making the city centrethe most probable place of future work. Score 9PlayThere are some really nice parks and gardens within thecity and Bondi Beach is but a few minutes by bus or train depending on whereyou live. In addition you have some awesome landscapes within the Blue Mountains,an hour’s drive away. Other than that, we did not have much time forrecreational activities as we spent a lot of time travelling on publictransport. There is a hell of a lot of entertainment available and museums seemto change their exhibits often. But you might struggle to find a bit of peaceand quiet. Score 7Overall score 23/30 (76%)Brisbane:LiveI tend to agree with their slogan “Australia’s most liveablecity”. Much less touristy and perhaps a bit boring, but you don’t need to gofar to get some open space and the sense of freedom. Houses seem bigger andnicer than in Sydney, at a fraction of the cost. The public transport systemdoes a good job of criss-crossing the city but is much less frequent and if youwanted to get from the south east to the south west, you would have to go viathe city center. It also seemed a lot more expensive to use the publictransport at first, but then it is capped at charging you for only the first 9trips of the week. So going to work and back would be plausible, while givingyou free use over the weekend. However, going further out of the city (100k+) requiresa great deal of planning or you will end up waiting at stations longer than theactual traveling time. But then again, it is still possible. Either way, Iwould suggest you get a car. The city centre is a hell of a lot smaller and muchquieter than Sydney. The river is beautiful with recreational pathways oneither side. Not quite meant for your yacht, but still generates a pleasantatmosphere. Brisbane also seems to offer a good amount of educationalfacilities. A proper beach and excellent water conditions are only an hour’sdrive away, so one could go surfing quite easily. It is Hot and it is humid butit does not burn you. I did see a lot less vandalism. We also heard otherpeople speaking Afrikaans at least every 3 or 4 days, and making friends was assimple as greeting them with a “Goeie Middag Oom”. Score 9WorkAs the 3rd largest city in Australia andfeeling a lot like Pretoria, job opportunities are certainly less than in therat race of Sydney and with so many teaching institutions around one can expecta position to be filled fast. This is where your experience will help give youthe edge. On the other hand, if you start your own business, you will have aconstant supply of fresh brainpower. A smaller city also means less variety ofproducts and less prospective clients. So if you are looking for somethingspecific, expect to import it from the bigger port cities or fill the marketgap yourself. Score 7PlayAwesomeness!!! Brisbane and the region around itcertainly lend itself to a whole lot of recreational activities and beautifullandscape and there is a lot to choose from. Having less of a commute andaffordable housing, you should be able to experience the outdoors a lot morethan in the typical rat race. It does rain a lot at times, just like Durban andthis may affect your run. Score 9Overall: 25/30(83%)PerthLiveDue to the mining boom over the last decade the regionhas expanded rapidly north and south. You will have beautiful houses to choosefrom all round. Properties seem bigger as well, probably because a piece ofsand dune is not worth much. But don’t expect to see much trees or shade. Eventhe lawn seems greener and growing better in the shade. People and ducks alsoseem to prefer the shade rather than the water of the pond. Now I know we had aheat wave while we were there and temps were around 40 for most of the week,but it does hit you. Such searing heat will keep me indoors most of the time.The train system also seems new and clean and not vandalized yet but a manualpaper ticket system I did not expect. People tend to be fairly friendly here.Perhaps because there are fewer people and it’s not like you will see peoplemuch further out of the city. There are some farms in the swan valley area, butspace is limited. If you love hot dry dust this is the place to roast. I couldnot find much to do in the area either apart from visiting one of the islands.Beaches are not that great. Nor is their water conditions much good. On theplus side, you will not need a tumble dryer, or hair dryer or geyser but you doneed to consider a swimming pool and air conditioning as a minimum requirementwhen you buy a house. Live here will evolve around air conditioned house, airconditioned car or train, air conditioned work. Score 6WorkUnless you are in the mining or a closely related industry,you will not have many opportunities. For this was the city that brought tolight a large amount of beggars in the streets and sidewalk performers hopingto cash is on some change. Now I do not deal with heat all that well, sowearing long pants, hard hat and reflective overcoats in this heat will see meperish. Finding an office job will not be easy either. As the most isolatedcity in the world expect to at times have to wait for special order stuff. Itis also a fairly small city center given the number of houses around it, soclearly a lot of traveling to the mines and perhaps periods of staying at themine working would be expected. Score 6 (If I was in the mining industry, thiswould have been a sure 10 purely due to the salaries I’ve seen posted onlinefor jobs, but I’m not, and money does not buy back lost time with family.)PlayWalking around at night was ok, but there really is notmuch to do other than swim in your pool and drink locally produced wine withsome neighbours at a braai, while you dry out like a raison. Even the so calledmount Isa looks like it was melted down and buildings are frequently tallerthan the mountain. So for exercise, you’d be much better off running thestairways at work in a climate controlled building. According to the IAAF,races of 42Km or more should be cancelled if the temperature is above 26degrees due to the life threatening risk of heatstroke. So in the early morningwhen it is a nice and cool 28 to 30 degrees you would already be risking it togo for a run. Score 6Overall 18/30(60%) 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibella Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 You make me glad that Melbourne chose us!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendym Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Love it! Brilliant post. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goFly Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Nice post! Very well written. Score 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel-B Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Thanks for an insightful post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BriD Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Thank you for taking the time to write this. Was such a useful post!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robz Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) Surely you scored a 9 on the IELTS writing!! Made for some very amusing reading! Thanks! Edited January 31, 2013 by Robz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oosie Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 You must come and visit Melbourne, would like to know what score you would give it. Melbourne is the most vibrant city we have visited in Aus, we just love it. We live about 100km from Melbourne but can easily get there with a V-line train and we just love to go there and spend a day or 2.Feel so blessed to live in this wonderful country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Voogt Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Nee wat, my boere-ingels was net 'n 8 oppi IELTSI prepared it in word and used spell checker. Then FireFox assisted to go from English to American spelling.We will definitely visit Melbourne in the future. Statistically it should fall between Sydney and Brisbane. But for now, we take it one day at a time in RSAIf we can get a job from here, we will most likely go to the respective city to start off. But from our experiences, we would want to build a family in Brissie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Melbourne rocks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanniewagnie Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Dankie! Ek kan rerig nie meer wag nie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyebrow Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 BAie dankie vir jou moeite. Ons almal waardeer dit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oosie Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Agree Mara, Melbourne rocks!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elleneo Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 We loved Melbourne !..now that we in Sydney I must question what suburbs you looked at? There are plenty of newish houses in the hills district, older but well maintained houses on the north shore, I personally saw more graffiti in Melbourne than in Sydney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanieR Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Excellent post - well done! Your city scoring is also spot on! Doing a quick stop back in South Africa to sell our business and hope to return to Queensland soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I have to say it, but this post is a perfect example of how dangerous LSD trips are (and I don't mean the medicated type)! Although I have travelled to Melbourne, Sydney, Brissie and Gold coast, I won't comment on those - as I have never lived there, therefore, my perception would potentially be incorrect.I can comment on Perth. After you left Perth, the heatwave left with you, only to surface on the East coast (Sydney, Brissie etc) - where they experienced HOTTER temperatures for LONGER!Since then, Perth has been at worst in the 30's. This is one example of how dangerous it is to make a decision based on snapshot in time. Had you gone to Sydney straight after Perth, you would have cooked and probably given Sydney a score of zero for complete unliveability. But, this would not have been based on more than the briefest experience of what was NOT the norm.Re work - again, fact is overridden by perception. In Perth, 1.7 people compete for each job. Melbourne, it is 12 people competing for each job - I forget what Sydney was... I think it was 14. Food for thought.Re play -- this totally depends on where you end up in each City. On my trips to Brisbane and Gold coast, I found them dull as ditch-water, but, from research I know that this is incorrect. My impression was to fleeting and thus too limited.Lots of other things, but I won't bang on - point made.I am not wanting to rain on your experience - just be sure to consider that it was just a snapshot and as such is not really a reliable resource as to what life is like here in ANY of the cities.Having said all that though, I firmly believe that no matter where you end up in Aus, you cannot go wrong. Each place has its pros and all of it equals a better lifestyle and better opportunities than SA. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloubok Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Thanks for this post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OubaasDik Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 I have to say it, but this post is a perfect example of how dangerous LSD trips are (and I don't mean the medicated type)! Although I have travelled to Melbourne, Sydney, Brissie and Gold coast, I won't comment on those - as I have never lived there, therefore, my perception would potentially be incorrect.I can comment on Perth. After you left Perth, the heatwave left with you, only to surface on the East coast (Sydney, Brissie etc) - where they experienced HOTTER temperatures for LONGER!Since then, Perth has been at worst in the 30's. This is one example of how dangerous it is to make a decision based on snapshot in time. Had you gone to Sydney straight after Perth, you would have cooked and probably given Sydney a score of zero for complete unliveability. But, this would not have been based on more than the briefest experience of what was NOT the norm.Re work - again, fact is overridden by perception. In Perth, 1.7 people compete for each job. Melbourne, it is 12 people competing for each job - I forget what Sydney was... I think it was 14. Food for thought.Re play -- this totally depends on where you end up in each City. On my trips to Brisbane and Gold coast, I found them dull as ditch-water, but, from research I know that this is incorrect. My impression was to fleeting and thus too limited.Lots of other things, but I won't bang on - point made.I am not wanting to rain on your experience - just be sure to consider that it was just a snapshot and as such is not really a reliable resource as to what life is like here in ANY of the cities.Having said all that though, I firmly believe that no matter where you end up in Aus, you cannot go wrong. Each place has its pros and all of it equals a better lifestyle and better opportunities than SA.Reminded me of those Poms who came out to SA in the early 80's and after a week knew exactly what was wrong with the country and how to fix it.I realise that he said up front that it was his impressions, but they are far too limited to allow a real comparison.Anyone who has not been to Oz reading this who bases his own choices on this is doing himself and his family a disservice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I can comment on Perth. After you left Perth, the heatwave left with you, only to surface on the East coast (Sydney, Brissie etc) - where they experienced HOTTER temperatures for LONGER!...Without wanting to take away from your main point which I think has some validity just thought I would mention that Brisbane did not get hotter temperatures for longer. I think you are thinking of western Sydney. Humidity yes, hotter temps, no...Brisbane hadn't had a 39c day for a decade. You can argue whether lower temps with humidity, or much higher temps without, are better or worse but that is personal preference I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rozellem Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 (edited) Useless info about Sydney weather:We have been here for 4 years. In that time we have switched the aircon on exactly 3 times. First time was about 2 years ago when there was a record breaking day, it was something crazy like 30C at midnight still. This Jan we switched it on twice, for a few hours around the kids (1&3) bed times to make sleeping more pleasant for them. Today, for the second time in less than a week, we are dresssed for winter and making pancakes for some forum friends. Ps. I left a empty bucket out on the deck last weekend. Rain filled it to the brim in two days. Just saying. Edited February 2, 2013 by rozellem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcK Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Loved your post - well written and honest. Agree with you that Brisbane is the place to settle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team44 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Excellent article..just sorry you have not gotten to Melbourne yet where we are headed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcK Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 PS - Brisbane & GC as dull as ditch-water - really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxi Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Very good post, enjoyed the read . We have been in Perth for 3years now, it is not the same Perth you talk of. Yes it gets very hot here, no humidity thank goodness , but you get used to it . During the heat of the day most people are in their offices and kids at school . The heat only lasts a few months ,three at the most. Remember Summer is the dry season and winter is the wet season . Not quite sure where you went in Perth , you will see the older suburbs have loads of trees in the streets and parks. No dry dust blowing arround as I remembering it in JHB winter. The newer suburbs are not established yet, give them time. I am not quite sure what you mean about water conditions. Perth is pretty flat , that makes cycling easier . There is loads to do here , the longer you stay the more you discover. The Perth arts festival starts in feb and runs for about a month. Most of it is free . The big museums are free entry . We don't get major flooding like what is happening over east , twice in three years now for them . I love Perth . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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