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A story of a South African family that left SA, came back, and left again


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Some interesting thoughts and views in this post by a South African who left, came back, and left again:

http://mydl.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=why-i-give-up-on-south-africa-and-why-i-am-leaving-again.html&Itemid=29

Why I give up on South Africa and why I am leaving again.

Posted by: apairofbears on Jan 30, 2010

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2 days ago my wife and I looked at each other and made a decision. We quit!

9 months after ‘coming home’, we are ‘going home’ again with our family.

Now, simply put, most people who make this decision (and there are a lot of us) will go quietly. They will not tell anyone why they are going, and they will not say anything for fear of backlash.

I have no such fear, and as such, here is an outline of my story.

10 years ago, almost to the day, I packed up my bags and headed for England. At the time I was married to my ‘practice’ wife (the first one), and I was accepting a job offer. Unlike most people in SA, I wasn’t leaving because of politics, or crime. I was leaving because I was offered a kick-ass job in London, with opportunities that were great for my career at the time.

Leaving SA 10 years ago was a heartsore event. I left with a longing for Africa, and I had always intended to return.

Fast-forward 9 years, and I return, with new family in tow (my wife is from Durbs originally, but we met in the UK), after lengthy discussions. Homesickness had struck us both, and we chose to come home and view SA through mildly-tinted glasses.

9 months later and we sit staring at each other wondering what caused us to make the biggest mistake of our lives.

Well, it takes a lot to admit a mistake. And we made a very large, very expensive mistake. While in the UK, we always had our memories of South Africa. We always remembered our cultural roots and heritage, and we always felt marginally superior because we knew the ‘secret’ that is South Africa.

South Africans the world over blame their homesickness on ‘Africa in the blood’ - we romanticize about how, once you have seen an African sunset, or felt an African thunderstorm, the dust of the land somehow gets into your blood. THAT is why we would always gravitate back.

So much has changed in 10 years, though, and South Africans have changed.

From my experience with the lying, deceitful bastards at FNB, through to watching the giant Pick n Pay literally destroy a friend’s life, livelihood and business in order to ‘protect their image’ (Yes, Jonathan Ackerman, I can PROVE that you are an unethical, scheming, public LIAR) and everything in between, we have had to amend our views.

You see, it’s easy to amend your views when South Africa is so broken.

I was one of the thousands of people duped by the idea that SA was on the rise, and problems were solved, and everyone lives in perfect harmony, holding hands and skipping through daisy fields. Homesickness and longing can shape your perception. You can see good in any dark situation.

We came to South Africa because we wanted to help with the ‘rebuilding’ going on. We remembered how South Africa’s ‘boer maak ‘n plan’ attitude was something to be proud of. We, as South Africans, don’t back down. We make a plan, and we make :censored: happen!

And so, herewith, in my public and open blog, I tell you why I give up on South Africa, and why we will be returning to the UK and how our mantra “Sunshine, Blue Skies, Happy People” has changed to “Grey Skies, Warm Beer, Happy People”.

South Africa’s ‘can do attitude’ - in the trash: I remember the days when South Africans had national pride instead of national shame. When we could make anything happen with a bit of willpower. When South Africans had faith in each other, and when we would all band together for the ‘common good’. Now we are a weak nation. We whine and complain about things, but we no longer ‘make things happen’. This is because we have lost our faith in each other as human beings. ??In the huge battle for survival, everyone will step on anyone to stay ahead. There is no moral justification for this behaviour pattern. What changed? We can sit and blame the government, we can blame society, but the simple fact is that South Africa has been beaten down by our inaction when it came to things that piss us off. South Africa feels like we are held hostage by our political and business systems.??In the ‘civilised’ world, people act when they are incensed by something the government does that is not in accordance with the will of the people. When government ministers are caught with their fingers in the till in the UK they are sent to prison. The people do not stand for things that bother them collectively. Sure, there is a politically correct mess in the ‘first’ world, but that’s here as well.

B.E.E is Apartheid in reverse: Like it or not, we have Apartheid in South Africa in 2010. It is alive and well. FNB, for example, issuing bursaries for ‘blacks only’ in accordance with the law is simply institutionalised racism. The constitution allows for laws to be made that disadvantage one person over another based on skin colour alone. ??We have not learned from the past, we have only allowed lawmakers to exact revenge on the very people who voted for change in the referendum of 1992. I see signs all over the place advertising things for ‘blacks only’, financial support, business start up packages, in-company bursaries - there is nothing in law to prevent the government from dialing it up a notch. Why is it that ‘whites only’ n the 1980s caused economic sanctions and pressure to end racism, but ‘blacks only’ is allowed, accepted and even lauded??? The hypocrisy in the country is rife.??Living in foreign countries for many years gives me a different perspective. Racism is not an issue in the UK, although they did enslave and disadvantage people of colour all around the world until the turn of the last century. The difference is that a country like Britain abolished slavery, but didn’t apologise for the past. They acknowledged that the past was the past, and that is where it ended. They moved forward, without government-inspired revenge.??I have spent 10 years where skin colour is not a factor in anything (of course, there are those who would play the race card in the UK, but - oddly enough - they generally originate from Africa - Nigerians, Congolose, Somalians etc.). The point is that the UK has NO LEGISLATION about race. Race isn’t an issue, therefore people are not filled with racial tension and aggression because people are being given a helping hand because of skin colour. People overseas do not qualify for legal benefits purely on the basis of skin colour. South Africa, of ALL countries, with her history of racial strife, should have learned from the past. Instead we are a nation who is so weak that we have allowed legislation to keep racism in the law books, albeit in reverse.

South Africa is a society based on corporate greed: The world is a technological giant. Technology is in place to make the lives of billions of people even better. South Africa’s corporations have not yet begun to understand that value for money + customer satisfaction = more profits. ??Companies here still believe that they have to anally rape their customers, and it is accepted as ‘the way things are’. Let me put this in perspective.??In the UK, for the princely sum of £10 per month (approx. R120) you can have 3G internet bandwidth. Unlimited, unrestricted 7.2Mbps bandwidth. ??You can get a 50Mbps internet line installed at your home, and they will throw in a phone line with free national calling and cable/satellite TV package with over 300 channels. This will set you back about £80 per month (About R1000). Installation is done within a couple of days, and if they don’t turn up when they say they will, you get apologies, and free :censored: to compensate.??Corporations in the developed world can somehow afford to make their :censored: affordable to the masses. You could argue that there are more people in somewhere like the UK, and therefore it’s easier to market to the masses, but the simple fact is there aren’t THAT many more people in the UK than in SA. So how do British Telecom, Virgin Media, Sky and all of the other giants make these unlimited bandwidth options available to the masses? Well, it’s because they make customers happy, and they compete. As a result, the subscription figures are higher, and justify the investment in bandwidth.??Europe doesn’t know what ‘capping’ is. ??3 litres of milk at the 24 hour Tesco supermarket will set you back about £1.50 - that’s CHEAPER than here in SA. What is more shocking is that Biltong, a typically South African delicacy, is now available in UK supermarkets - at about HALF THE COST that you can buy it here - where it is made!??When something goes wrong, the consumer has recourse. In South Africa, the customer is a turd to be cleaned up and flushed away. In business, we are expected to step on and destroy our fellow human beings, because we want more for ourselves personally. ??We are so primitive that we have not yet grasped the concept that we CAN act morally and ethically, and still make a healthy profit.

Technology, or lack thereof, has stifled us: In the ‘90s, we South Africans were top of the pile. We were sought after because of our IT and technology know-how. We were considered to be among the best in the world. Not only were we great problem solvers, but we had a strong work ethic, respected by employers the world over. Now, we don’t get looked at. From 2000 onwards, South Africa has been stifled as far as access to technology is concerned. ??Apple announced the iPad this week. It will retail in the UK for about £600 (about R7500). In South Africa it will be double in price. ???International and local bandwidth are terms that don’t exist outside of South Africa (I stand to be corrected there, but this is the only country that I have heard the distinction be made in relation to the consumer’s offering).??South African corporates are still run by greed and monopolistic attitudes that detriment the consumer, and the economy as a whole, and the nation suffers as a result. When SA actually decides to put the consumer back on the pedestal, they will see that their profits will adjust positively. They won’t do that, though, because there is too much personal greed for those at the top, and South Africans now have an attitude of ‘rape and pillage’ toward each other in order to ‘survive’.??Import duties and taxes on technology are among the highest in the world, and as a result, the government has managed to stifle our growth. In the ‘90s SA had access to certain technologies BEFORE the rest of the world. We were good at what we did. ??Now, we can’t even build a website that can compete with international standards. We do not understand e-commerce, and we do not harness the power of the technology at our fingertips for the good of everybody.??There is no justifiable reason for companies like Vodacom, Netoel, Telkom and the other bandwidth providers to be upgrading their technologies and allowing South Africa to stop disconnecting from the rest of the world. There is no real basis (other than revenue pluses) for capping, speed restrictions and stupid cut-offs on your internet connection. There is no reason why bandwidth cannot be available to the masses in an affordable way.??The conspiracy theorist in me likes to think that government understands that as long as we are stifled, we won’t realise the benefits the rest of the world get from technology being affordable. I spoke to a lawyer the other day who seems to be of the opinion still, in 2010, that the internet will never catch on.??We are primitive.

Cost of living in South Africa is HIGHER, and the standard of living is LOWER: Unless you are a super-elite living in Sandton, or a happy tree-dweller delighting in still remaining in the caves, you’ll notice that the only things more affordable in SA than the rest of the world are the things that will kill you. Cigarettes and booze - undeniably cheaper in South Africa than most countries, but that does not compensate for the skyrocketing cost of living here. I used to pride myself on showing off to my British friends about the low cost of living in South Africa. in 2010, even fuel prices are closing the gap on the developed world. A litre of milk is drop-for-drop cheaper in Britain. A box of Corn Flakes is far cheaper, and all-round shopping is generally wither on a par with, or cheaper - in Britain. ??How do they manage to sell Mrs. Balls IMPORTED chutney in Britain for 50c less than you can buy it at Pick n Pay???? Ahhh, that’s right - lower margins mean higher customer satisfaction. Do you think that PnP’s “inspired by you” slogan means that? No, it means “Inspired by profits to be made off of you at YOUR expense, because that’s what everyone does”?Our cellphone costs are among the highest in the world, yet we claim to be a developing country. We used to be a powerhouse, now we’re poor as a church mouse.??In the past we could boast that house rentals were so much cheaper than the UK. Granted, houses are generally bigger here, and gardens are more generous, but there isn’t really an advantage to being in SA, property-wise. Plus, the added costs to maintain a garden we don’t really use, are restrictive.

Access to basic essential services: In South Africa, we joke about state hospitals. We joke about the nursing staff being really sucky, and we jest about the quality of public medical care. The simple fact is that all of the good doctors and nurses are overseas, where they are appreciated (with salaries) and put in environments that are clean, healthy and safe. ??My daughter was born on the British National Health Service. While it was amusing at times, the facilities in the public hospitals are world-class, the doctors are well paid and sourced from around the world. ??My wife’s pregancy and my daughter’s subsequent birth cost not a cent. In fact, each time we went to the hospital for a checkup, we were offered a refund on our transport costs. When my daughter was born, the local government put £250 in trust for her to use when she’s 16. ??When my children get sick, the local GP will treat them, or even make a house call. No charge. Medicine is free for them. No matter what. In fact, medicine is free for EVERYONE in Britain, although you may have to pay a surplus ‘prescription fee‘ which is never more than £7.50 per prescription. Kids under 16 are waived from this fee, as are the disabled, retired and unemployed. ??Regardless of the condition, the medicine is available, and the government’s health service provides it. ??There is no such thing as medical aid in the UK. There are ‘health plans‘ for the elite, but the advertising for these plans is along the lines of “Buy our health plan, and you’ll be able to jump the queue”. It’s not a case of better care, and the health plans are all optional.??If you don’t have a medical aid, you will not get worse treatment or care. ??Schools: Schooling is free for all. Not “Oh, if you can afford it we’ll charge you school fees” free, like in South Africa, but it is free. Gratis, No charge - for ALL people. You can opt for a paid-for private school, but my experience is that more problems are bred in the private school systems anyway. The standard of education, like everywhere in the world, is not as high as it used to be, but it’s THERE.??If you are a single parent, the government will help you with child-care costs if you are working. If you choose to be a stay-at-home single parent, the government will make sure you can survive in relative comfort.??Public Transport: The idea of being able to get around is a good one. In South Africa, if you do not own a vehicle, or have access to wheels, you’re screwed. There is no public transport infrastructure that is reliable or safe. ??In the developed world, a car is really optional (and cheap). I can pick up a 2001 ‘skadonk‘ in Britain right now for under £400 (less than R5000) - it’ll be in decent condition, and will not fall apart on you. Cars are optional because there are buses, trains and minicabs/taxis everywhere - and they are affordable. In SA, I made the mistake of taking a taxi from Fourways to Honeydew, and spitting out nearly R300 for the privilege. Restrictively expensive, and unmetered so there is no real recourse.??In the UK I can buy a bus pass, giving me unlimited travel in a region for a specified period. ??Basic services that we took for granted in the UK - we only missed them when they weren’t there.

These are 6 of the reasons why I have decided, with my family, to leave Africa - again - for good. ??If you are overseas, and Africa is in your bones, and you’re feeling duped by SA’s advertising that it’s all getting better (yes, Homecoming Revolution, I am talking about YOU) then don’t believe the hype. If you are white, you are unemployable, no matter how many skills or how much experience you have. Unless you are coming to participate in greed culture, and are willing to risk everything you have saved overseas (yes, overseas we have disposable income - we CAN save), then don’t be tempted by summers and blue skies. Get a UV light to combat the winter depression, but think very carefully before putting South Africa back on your radar.??We have made the mistake, like so many others, and we are rectifying it, after losing everything in the process of ‘keeping the faith’.??The banks in South Africa are trying to attract you because they want your foreign currency - every little helps. Just remember - if you are coming from the UK - the banks want to charge you your foreign currency. ??Something else that South Africans get a raw deal on is bank charges. I don’t know about bank charges anymore. In Britain, on personal accounts, there is no such thing. I do not get charged £1 to withdraw money from an ATM, and I certainly don’t get charged to DEPOSIT money into my account. Actually, the banks in the UK are so happy with their customers that they don’t charge them anything for having a bank account. ??The banks are attracting South Africans to ‘come home’ not because of some revolution going on with the country ‘rebuilding’, but because the country needs FOREIGN currency. It has nothing to do with the ‘brain drain’, as I have found you can be the best in the world at what you do, but corporate policies are ‘blacks only’ with employment. Don’t believe the bullshit of ‘come home and together we will boost the economy’. Translate it as ‘Your Pounds Sterling are a much needed revenue for South African banks, and we want YOU to give up your safe, stable and secure life, bring all your pounds, and when you’ve spent them ALL in South Africa and have nothing left...... Well, then you can :censored: off!

Goodbye South Africa. This time, when I leave, not a single tear will be shed for ‘Mama Afrika’. I will not look back, and I will not come back. I am sad that I have to turn my back on my country like this, but you turned your backs on ME!

I’ll check in on you from time to time, while using free Wifi at Starbucks or Burger King, watching the latest movies via the iTunes store, taking credit card payments with PayPal into my bank account, and reading the SA news on my affordable iPad, while talking on my iPhone.??ANC - You are screwing your people, and I hope that - before you become Mugabe II - that the revolution will happen, and you will be deposed by an angry population. Even then, I won’t come back, because South Africa - your PEOPLE need to heal.??I will return when South Africans once again stand proud, stand tall, ‘maak plan’ and unite. When South Africa has the South African put back into it - then it will be my home. Until then, I am British now, and I am proud that - despite the country’s shortcomings, we have a society that gives a :censored: about it’s citizens.

Au Revoir, Goodbye and Good Luck.

THIS is why we leave!

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I do not agree with the execution of AA/BEE/BBBEE but I agree with the principal. B)

Did you agree with the apartheid system in principal?

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Did you agree with the apartheid system in principal?

To be honest I was too young to give Apartheid a second thought but I have acknowledged that along with every other white person I benefited from a system that was based on the colour of my skin. Affirmative action policies are rife in many parts of the world, even USA. But Like I said, I agree in principal, but not with how it's being abused in SA. How about you, did you agree with apartheid?

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" if you don't like it then feel free to leave but at least have the courtesy not to bag it on the way out"

Its my birth place, and i will always care about South Africa, but she has hurt me deeply. So if i need to bag her on the way out, i have the right to do so. In general i try to give a honest picture, so in mentioning my country i will talk about the problems and the beauty.

But you, and many other saffers dont have that same courtesy... I have been insulted many times for daring to want more than South Africa has to offer....

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@Elmarie61

I apologise if I offended you by bagging this country and not writing about the good too. I do agree with you that we should remember and appreciate what this country gave us and her beauty. We have never denied that South Africa has a wide range of diverse and unique heritage and culture. I was born here and it will always be part of our family's history, the part that angers me the most is that even though our generation had nothing to do with the wrongs that were perpetrated against people in this country because of their skin colour, our children are suffering.

My daughter knows nothing of skin colour nor apartheid, she does not even know what the terms BEE, AA or EE mean but her future is non-existent.

Bag all you want its part of the healing process, we have all been hurt deeply by the country that we are meant to feel at home and safe in.

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@ hejj, i was quoting johnno with the bagging comment! He said we bag sa, and i was just saying that we have the right to, as we are currently living here...

I always enjoy your posts actually, and i was very glad to see you received your visa, despite asa's attempts at sabotage!

Nicse=johnno, what do you think? (hie hie hie)

I guess it is healthy to have all sides of the deabte, whether we like it or not. :)

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@ hejj, i was quoting johnno with the bagging comment! He said we bag sa, and i was just saying that we have the right to, as we are currently living here...

I always enjoy your posts actually, and i was very glad to see you received your visa, despite asa's attempts at sabotage!

Nicse=johnno, what do you think? (hie hie hie)

I guess it is healthy to have all sides of the deabte, whether we like it or not. :)

I figured you were quoting him, I just tend to moan about the bad things and forget the good things about this place. When I read the first comment I actually said to my wife that I think Nicse is back under a new name (wouldn't surprise me at all).

There is a very fine line between debating and "bagging" people for having the guts to tell their stories. We should all have the right to post both the good and bad without fear of retribution. We may not like what people write but we should at least still show our support and try and encourage people where we can. This process is hard enough without the stress caused by threads like this.

How are you plans going by the way? I have been so busy trying to organise things since we got the news that I haven't really focused on much else.

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@Johnno

If the only thing that you got out of the original authors post is free wi-fi and the price of bloody biltong then you have got your head buried so far in the sand that you can't see that the current government is busy destroying our home and does not care about it's people and I'm not just talking about the white ones.

When last were you in the centre of Pretoria? We were today and their are people of all colours and races literally sleeping on the streets. What's this wonderful, opportunity filled vibrant African country doing for them?

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HEOJ, when are you planning on moving over?

We are planning to go around the first week of April. It all depends on how fast we can get the house sold. Brisbane if you were wondering.

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Wow, so not too long to go then! Good luck with the arrangements and planning. Hope Brisbane is awesome for you guys.

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@hejj, i have been meaning to add a proper post to my journal, but in short... I booked my ticket today and i am flying on the 19th of jan!

So soon, but so exciting. It goes to show, you can get a job before landing.

Are you selling your house? We are still waiting on transfer, which means i am borrowing money for flight and landing in perth broke.

Eish!

Edited to add i know its not easy to get a job, and i am very grateful. I just wish to give others confidence and hope that it is is possible.

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@hejj, i have been meaning to add a proper post to my journal, but in short... I booked my ticket today and i am flying on the 19th of jan!

So soon, but so exciting. It goes to show, you can get a job before landing.

Are you selling your house? We are still waiting on transfer, which means i am borrowing money for flight and landing in perth broke.

Eish!

That's right I did read the post about you getting the job in Mandurah, 19 Jan = min dae. We are planning on putting the house on the market this week, we already have several interested parties who all want our place so hopefully one of them will pay what we want and we can get the house sale thing handled quickly.

You'll be fine, you have come this far and triumphed over ASA (I didn't even bother to tell them the visa was granted) so the rest will be a walk in the park. I must say that the possibility of landing without a job scares me a bit but we will make it work, we have to there is just no other choice and by the time we land we won't have enough money to come back anyway (which I can promise won't happen, I would rather clean toilets).

Good luck with the rest of your planning and these last couple of days will go quickly. Are you guys in Centurion? Maybe we could get together for coffee before you leave.

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Wow, so not too long to go then! Good luck with the arrangements and planning. Hope Brisbane is awesome for you guys.

Yup my wife is already counting the days she has left at the school and I'm stressing (yes OubassDik I found something else to worry about :P) all the stuff that needs to be done before we can go.

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@ patrice, to answer your question. Reality, common sense and history, that's what. Add some intelligence and you'll be surprised, very surprised at the obvious. ;)

Clearly the Aussie wannabes and newby's want to agree with the original post of leaving SA so anyone providing a different view is shot down in flames without giving it a second thought. It kinda becomes 2nd nature. So yes, let everyone leave SA, the bloody price of biltong and no free WiFi is going to ruin the place.

Now all you need to do is practice what you preach...

Merry Xmas boet!

Johnno - I do practice what I preach, which is more than I can say about you !

For example, you complained about people who 'belittle' someone for stating their feelings etc... yet alas, this is exactly what you are doing now !!

Posted by Johnno on 17 December 2012 - 09:37 PM in General

I'm starting to think that it is typical ex South African behaviour (typically those that have left SA in the last few years) to spend their lives on expat forums defending their decision to leave SA and then belittling someone who is simply justifying their feelings and decisions. After all isn't that why 99% hang out on these types of forums.....for support

Yet when 'HadEnoughofJuju' says the same, you accuse him of over reacting ....

HadEnoughofJuju, on 29 December 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

This forum is here to support and encourage people who wish to leave South Africa in an attempt to create fair opportunities for their families. If you wish to bash people for doing so then you are welcome to become a member of the HCR and bash away. People here don't need the extra stress and judgment that posts like this bring.

Then in total contradiction of what you 'preach', You try to belittle people who, for the sake of those living in SA, still have hope that SA will become a better place and reach it's potential. Well the reality is that some of us (un-like you) have not given up our hope that SA will become a better place for all who still live there.

Alas, it appears that you showed some humanity, and actually had 'expectations for SA', which soon 'dwindled away' -

Posted by Johnno on 17 December 2012 - 08:49 PM in General

The longer I'm away from SA the more I realise that it is just another African country and my expectations of it being anything else have dwindled away.

who knows, maybe this will happen to us (although I for one don't give up that easy). Our common sence may be lacking, and we may not have your intellegence (as you imply)

but at least allow us to have hope..... especially for all who still live there!

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@juju, we live in melville.

I am still calm at the moment because i can say 'i am going next year', but after new years the real panic will most probably hit.

My husband is staying behind as his term at his school only ends in April. But having the job is a huge relief, even if i have to go alone at first. When are you finishing at work?

I am sure with your mindset you will find something very soon after landing.

Will hold thumbs that your house sale is easy and pain free!

Goodluck!

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Then in total contradiction of what you 'preach', You try to belittle people who, for the sake of those living in SA, still have hope that SA will become a better place and reach it's potential. Well the reality is that some of us (un-like you) have not given up our hope that SA will become a better place for all who still live there.

Alas, it appears that you showed some humanity, and actually had 'expectations for SA', which soon 'dwindled away'

Hey Patrice, apologies if I upset you by this, the point I was trying to make was that SAAustrlia and its forumites should be able to post both their negative and positive experiences related to this process (that a lot of us feel that we have been forced into because of circumstances) without having people bash us for it.

I admit that I am not very positive about the future of this country but that does not mean that I have given up hope that it may one day improve, I am just not willing to sacrifice my child's future waiting for it to happen. I sincerely hope that for the people we are leaving behind that it does improve.

I was unfortunately involved in another little skirmish here on the forum which had a very similar tone to it where one of the members ended up resigning, I find that very sad because with their resignation we also lost their experience. There is nothing wrong with a health debate but it should not turn into a bashing exercise because we don't agree with one other.

I think we should all agree to disagree and move on from this.

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@juju, we live in melville.

I am still calm at the moment because i can say 'i am going next year', but after new years the real panic will most probably hit.

My husband is staying behind as his term at his school only ends in April. But having the job is a huge relief, even if i have to go alone at first. When are you finishing at work?

I am sure with your mindset you will find something very soon after landing.

Will hold thumbs that your house sale is easy and pain free!

Goodluck!

We have both decided that we will work until the end of March, my wife is also going to work out the term and my boss (who hired me back knowing we were leaving) requested that I give him at least three months notice so they could replace me.

Don't feel guilty about having found a job before going over, you may be one of the lucky few but you deserve it and it definitely goes a long way to calming those nerves, you'll be fine after all you did do all the visa application work yourself and made it through that.

We are have our first potential buyer over at 16:00 today so hold thumbs that things go well and they like the price.

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HEOJJ, I think Patrice is responding to Johnno and pointing out that he had a go at you for basically saying the same thing he had at an earlier stage. You're all good mate....no skirmish. At least that is how I read it.

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Come on Guys!!!

South Africa is a great place to live in!!!

Just keep away from the South Africans...

To be honest, they scare me.

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Net een vragie: terwyl ons nou so kibbel en ek weet daar is vreeslik baie mense wat glo die swart mense se agterstand is apartheid se skuld omdat onderwys hul 'ontse' is. Die swartman was in Afrika lank voor die blanke.

Hoekom het die swartman nie vir Jan van Riebeeck met die trein kom haal toe hul hier aangekom het nie? Ons is dan gelyk geskape?

Ek het respek vir elke nasie. Elke mens. Elke stukkie grond, alles wat die Heer gemaak het verdien respek. Ek glo ook dat die Heer ons verskillend gemaak het met 'n rede. Daarom hou ek myself 'apart'. Is dit apartheid? Ek is nie 'n rassis nie, want DAAR ontbreek respek. Ek het swart kollegas en kom goed met hul oor die weg. Ek ken Indier mense met baie beter morele waardes as ons blankes.

Ek het baie interessante gesprekke gevoer met Mohammedane, Jode, Christene, Liberales, Konserwatiewes, Hooggeleerdes, Armlastiges, noem dit op. Ons het almal een ding in gemeen - ons wil gehoor word, en gerespekteer word vir wie ons is en wat ons glo. Dit beteken nie ek sal almal van hul nooi om by my aan huis te kom kuier of my kinders aanmoedig om met enigeen verhoudings aan te knoop nie.

Ja, ek hou my ook appart van baie van my eie mense. Sommige van my 'eie' mense het sleg geword. Beginselloos, vloek, drink, skel en luiaards. Jy sal hul oral kry, maar ek hoef my nie met hul te meng nie. Tog sal ek aanhou om hul ook met respek te behandel, vriendelik met almal, maar nie vriende met almal nie.

Ek keur nie alles goed wat deur ons geskiedenis gebeur het nie - mense is mense en maak soms (of meestal as ek na ons geskiedenis kyk) verkeerde besluite. Feit is, ons is hier, in dieselfde 'boot' ongeag ons verskillende sienswyses.

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I enjoyed that read. It makes sense in my mind as to why I am on they way out of this hell hole

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@Mister Moose ; This is very true I am not clued up on techno ,econimy , and business stuff but for the rest "op die spyker se kop" we will be visiting friends in Bunbury WA during February and I am certain that on our return we will start our VISA APPLICATION process .Cant wait to see it for ourselves.

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From someone who has lived and worked in South Africa, England and Australia.

I advise anytone to come to Western Australia. We live in Bunbury and when we touched down and started our life here, it just feels like home. The west is so much more friendly and pioneering than the the rest of Aus, though I'd rather be there than either the UK or SA. We are so happy here. I love it more more more than I could ever have loved Africa cause I know that us and our kids are part of building a great new nation.

It feels free and wild and my Dad was just over from the Eastern Cape and he said, if he could he would move her tomorrow. Our nearest suburb is 20% ex-SA and I've not met anyone who doesn't love it. Everyone here just loves where they live, excellent jobs, drive our vehicles on the beach, great Christian schools, live on acreage if you choose, no traffic. My Dad just kept saying, this is like South Africa was 30 years ago. He couldn't believe how friendly our neighbours were, how we leave our doors and cars unlocked... he was just blown away. He is an astute businessman who is making a lot of money in SA but he said - you've done the right thing, there is no future in SA anymore and this where the future is.

I have such a passion for this place that sometimes I actually want to cry.

If you not happy come here cause all the ex-SAffers are happy and they watch the sun set over the sea with a smile on their face. Every new yr's eve, a whole lots of us sleep on the beach with our vehicles watching the kids board down the dunes and frolic in the sea till the early hrs.

I live in England before and I have 3 children. I know what it's like to live without family - but either you go now for the sake of your kids, or else you will end up in SA and your kids will be here missing you. My children love it here so much that my son actually suggested to me the other day that the queen should come and live here because 'She would love it SO MUCH'.

Thanks not to talk about all the public facilities which go without saying. Sorry got to go on cause I'm so in love with where I've been living the last 2 yrs.

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