Mbeki se nalatenskap

[Barto]

Mbeki__s_Legacy.pdf

[MichaelvdBerg]

HKGK

[Good Witch]

HKGK

[Kapoen]

EISH!

[Jean Kohler]

Hou dop, die punt van die ysberg steek nou maar eers uit?

[GerhardinOz]

Anybody want to stick their neck out and make a prediction on Zuma’s legacy?

[Naarch]

IM SO OUTTA HERE!

[bluebonnet]

HKGK

Ai,,,

[MarcK]

Does anyone have Mbeki's email address?? We can forward it on to him .....

[Eva]

To quote a journalist friend of mine....

Unfortunately too accurate an assessment of our country.

A really sad indictment.

[Christi&Lizl]

Your inability to see beyond negative propaganda is typical of emigrants. It is as if you wish for the worst possible future for South Africa to try and justify your move to Oz. You’re most probably the same persons who in 1994 filled your houses with canned food, water and rice in anticipation of war during our first democratic election. You should best forget the country that gave you your current education, skill and ability and carry on with your life.

Perhaps you would comment on the increase in teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, lack in discipline, sub-standard public schooling, extremely high cost of living, over regulation, gas fired BBQ’s , etc in Oz. It would make for interesting reading.

[Navigator]

Your inability to see beyond negative propaganda is typical of emigrants. It is as if you wish for the worst possible future for South Africa to try and justify your move to Oz. You’re most probably the same persons who in 1994 filled your houses with canned food, water and rice in anticipation of war during our first democratic election. You should best forget the country that gave you your current education, skill and ability and carry on with your life.

Perhaps you would comment on the increase in teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, lack in discipline, sub-standard public schooling, extremely high cost of living, over regulation, gas fired BBQ’s , etc in Oz. It would make for interesting reading.

History has a tendency to repeat itself, and for that you need only look north of the Limpopo at all the examples. Rather than wait a few years and then flee from my home country, I made the decision to move now. Every place in the world has its own problems, but I still think the problems in general in Australia pales in comparison with those in Azania, because let's face it, our home country no longer exists, in its place we have this place called Azania, ruled by a bunch of ANC clowns.

Give me over regulation any day of the week rather than no regulation... Teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, lack of discipline - those are mostly problems caused by bad parenting. High cost of living is relative, of course things will be more expensive in a first world country in certain instances, they need funds to run a first world country. Gas fired BBQ's - my meat tastes just as great on a gas fired BBQ.

So, you stay back in SA, where you have to struggle with more serious problems than the ones you mention in Aus. I see you're from Langebaan - quite an ydillic place to live, just wait till crime rears its ugly head in your little seaside haven...

[Joefromsa]

Marian L Tupy

I thought Marian was a woman… he studied in SA and did his Phd in GBR. Political analyst and he specialises in writing articles about the Africa and it’s demise. A prophet of doom. He also specialises in the study of the political economy of Europe and sub-Saharan Africa.

Whatever Marian is… one has to admit that this article is reasonably objective… I cannot fault the contents… or am I going befok

HKGK… I agree, unless preventative measures are put into place VERY quickly.

GerhardinOz is ‘n ‘stoker’… but a cool guy...

My predictions on Zuma…

When one starts a prediction of this nature, it is customary to have a ‘shower’

I think Zuma would have followed Mbeki’s road to a slow but unforgiving road to failure. The problem is that SA politics is lot like the UN… Parliament is the UN and the ANC is the US… irrespective what parliament (UN) decides, the ANC(US) sets policy… they have the attitude of you are either with ‘us’ or against ‘us’.

With all the rhetoric that goes around the civil servants forgot that they have a country to run…

Zuma has been saved from possible embarrassment by virtue of the creation of the new political party… ‘COP’ Congress of the People… I think they will have a significant following and will reduce the ANC power base… this is a good thing, as too much power for any single party is not healthy… I think they will make an excellent opposition.

I hope to watch this from Oz… (I hope that this prediction holds to be true)

[Barto]

Your inability to see beyond negative propaganda is typical of emigrants. It is as if you wish for the worst possible future for South Africa to try and justify your move to Oz. You’re most probably the same persons who in 1994 filled your houses with canned food, water and rice in anticipation of war during our first democratic election. You should best forget the country that gave you your current education, skill and ability and carry on with your life.

Perhaps you would comment on the increase in teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, lack in discipline, sub-standard public schooling, extremely high cost of living, over regulation, gas fired BBQ’s , etc in Oz. It would make for interesting reading.

Christi & Lizl,

Baie dankie vir julle insiggewende en bemoedigende kommentaar. Ek het besluit om nie meer te emigreer nie, maar in SA agter te bly saam met julle ...... NOT!

[Brisbane wannabe]

Christi & Lizl,

I think you are in the wrong forum, this is the saaustralia forum not the homecoming revolution forum, everything is roses and daisies on that forum for people with their heads in the sand (or up some other crevice).

I love freedom of speech but I really think you are in the wrong place, I do not wish SA ill as I am leaving many family and friends behind, but you have to be realistic.

BW

[MarcK]

The article does indeed highlight the definite downside to almost 10 years of Mbeki rule but does also give credible praise for government fiscal policy. However what is to follow is seemingly worse.....

This "inability to see beyond this negative propaganda is typical of emigrants" is what saved our family from facing chaos, destruction and humiliation in Zimbabwe. Make no mistake - emigration is a decision based not on an article in a newspaper but more importantly on experiences and disappointments. It is not a decision made on a whim nor do you wake up on a particular day and say "Oh I think I want to emigrate" but is made after extensive soul-searching and emotional agony over what is right for our futures.

I will never be able to forget South Africa and I wish and hope and pray that the doom and gloom predicted never comes true. But I make this decision wantingly whilst I have the privilege of being able to do so.

[JanCPT]

Your inability to see beyond negative propaganda is typical of emigrants.

Negative propaganda .... from who, the SABC, the Cape Argus ..... in other parts of the world it's called reporting on current events

It is as if you wish for the worst possible future for South Africa to try and justify your move to Oz. .

Quite right, one day I decided to move ....... & then started looking around for a reason to justify my decison

You’re most probably the same persons who in 1994 filled your houses with canned food, water and rice in anticipation of war during our first democratic election. You should best forget the country that gave you your current education, skill and ability and carry on with your life..

You've got your timing wrong ..... it's only recently that the Education Dept started handing out matric certificates for attendance, back in the day, we still had to work for them or perhaps yo're gettig confused with your own situation

Perhaps you would comment on the increase in teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, lack in discipline, sub-standard public schooling, extremely high cost of living, over regulation, gas fired BBQ’s , etc in Oz. It would make for interesting reading.

From what I undertstand from the negative propaganda, it's of serious concern down in Aus & they are taking proactive steps to counteract the problem.

I believe that it has become so serious there, that it is almost a fraction of what it is in SA, where the authorities deny the existence of a problem & do nothing about it - over regulation / no regulation .... I take over regulation, for my girls, any day of the week!!!!

Would you mind if I carried on to comment about their reaction to any type of crime??? - can you believe it, the authorities actually take it quite seriously and any type of serious crime makes national headlines ......... the police do actually investigate &, lo & behold, the perpetrators get caught .... while back home in SA, .......

& the hard wood braais .... if I had my priorities right I would definitely put a nice "hardekool braai" ahead my childrens' welfare in my listing of personal priorities, but it's a problem that I have to live with, .... my children come first!!!

I don't know why I even take the time to comment on your drivel, you're obviously a troll, who has come in her uninvited, with the intention of stirring

jan

Edited November 12, 2008 by JanCPT

[Joefromsa]

Your inability to see beyond negative propaganda is typical of emigrants. It is as if you wish for the worst possible future for South Africa to try and justify your move to Oz. You’re most probably the same persons who in 1994 filled your houses with canned food, water and rice in anticipation of war during our first democratic election. You should best forget the country that gave you your current education, skill and ability and carry on with your life.

Perhaps you would comment on the increase in teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, lack in discipline, sub-standard public schooling, extremely high cost of living, over regulation, gas fired BBQ’s , etc in Oz. It would make for interesting reading.

Hi

Don't be upset, it's about taking stock of ones' life... you examine you life at a given point, you do a reality check and try and visualize where you and your family will be in, lets say, five years time... you have to be honest... to do this, you have to take into account, current SA politics and history... you do the sums...?

In 1994.. many people of ALL races filled there houses with all sorts of foodstuff, (not us...) so did the very same people during the 1976 riots... (not us...)

Australia has there fair share of problems, but not so long ago, the highest city or town, in the WORLD, according to UNESCO, of unwanted pregnancies was PAARL... what you described with exception of over regulation, is SA....

By the same token, you are entitled to your opinion...

Joefromsa

[niemeerhier]

Negatiewe propaganda?

Ek trek nie oor negatiewe propaganda nie.

• Ek trek oor my huis laasjaar leeggesteel is.
  

• Ek trek oor my oudste dogter al twee keer aangeval is en ek is dankbaar sy was nie op 'n plek waar die skurke tyd gehad het om meer te kon doen nie
  

• Ek trek oor my jongste dogter nou die dag van die skool af omsingel is deur 'n groep belhamels en waarskynlik net ontsnap het oor haar maat pepper spray gehad het
  

• Ek trek omdat elke vroulike lid in my famlie lastig geval word as hulle alleen dorp toe gaan
  

• Ek trek oor die feit dat daar nie 'n einddatum vir rasgebaseerde staatsbeleid aangekondig is nie. Wat beteken dat my kleinkinders en agterkleinkinders nog steeds gaan lei onder rassisme wat kwansuis voorheen verkeerd was maar nou goedgepraat word
  

• Ek trek dienste wat toenemend agteruitgaan en armoede vererger terwyl meer en meer mense met Mercedes'e en BMW's op ons paaie rondry - 'n tydbom as jy my vra
  

• Ek trek want ek is nou gatvol om agter 'n sesvoetmuur weg te kruip
  

• Ek trek want my dogter kan nie gaan draf as ek begeleide doen nie en selfs dan is ek nie verseker van my veiligheid nie. 'n Gewapende man is 'n paar maande gelede hier liederlik vermink toe hy in ons "groen" strook gaan stap het (ek was onder die verkeerde indruk dat dit 'n groen strook genoem oor die plante wat daar groei)
  

• Ek trek om geleenthede aan te gryp wat my nie beskore is nie ten spyte daarvan dat ek werk skep hier in my dorp en my talente in die verband misken word
  

• Ek trek want hier gaan nie meer Sasols, Yskor's, Saldanha Staal en sulke projekte op nie maar daar stroom duisende nuwe immigrante die land in wat uit lande kom waar hulle grootword met moord en plunder as 'n alledaagse deel van hulle lewens
  

• Ek trek oor die omtrent 40% van die mense vir die staat werk wat beteken dat hulle almal op die res se nekke lê en die land verder aftrek aangesien die staatsdiens niemand afdank nie
  

In kort ek trek want ek is Gatvol verby!

Terloops - die mense wat blikkieskos bymekaargemaak het destyds is al lankal weg! Ons naïwe hoopvolles het gebly en gedink ons gaan saam met Madiba 'n nuwe gees van hoop in Suid-Afrika vestig.

[JanCPT]

Terloops - die mense wat blikkieskos bymekaargemaak het destyds is al lankal weg! Ons naïwe hoopvolles het gebly en gedink ons gaan saam met Madiba 'n nuwe gees van hoop in Suid-Afrika vestig.

Spyker op die kop geslaan - presies so!!!

Maar dit help nie ons blaf meer nie, want die trol het net vinnig sy (d)rol in die drinkwater kom gooi en toe nooit weer gesig gewys nie

Edited November 13, 2008 by JanCPT

[funtobeaussiechick]

Your inability to see beyond negative propaganda is typical of emigrants. It is as if you wish for the worst possible future for South Africa to try and justify your move to Oz. You’re most probably the same persons who in 1994 filled your houses with canned food, water and rice in anticipation of war during our first democratic election. You should best forget the country that gave you your current education, skill and ability and carry on with your life.

Perhaps you would comment on the increase in teenage pregnancies, drug abuse, lack in discipline, sub-standard public schooling, extremely high cost of living, over regulation, gas fired BBQ’s , etc in Oz. It would make for interesting reading.

My Dear Proudly Saffer. I am also a Proudly Saffer and will always be. I have been living in Aus for close on a year and have to say that Aus grows on you the longer you stay. What is it with you. I do not have to downgrade SA to justify my move here. For your information I was gang raped in SA not to mention other horrible things which happened to close family members. I still at that time had the guts to build a house in SA as I loved my country. I had a child and that is what changed my outlook to carve out another possible future for my child. I am doing the best possible thing that I can for my family not because I do not love SA but because I love my child and my family MORE than SA. Now if I could go back to SA and everything was really democratic and I could live without an electric fence and without armed response and walk in the street and my child could ride his bike to school I would really come back. Australia is NOT the land of milk and honey but it

certainly offers a lot and day by day it is growing on me more and more. Sub standard public schooling, well to be honest it really depends on where you live. Not all public schools are very good. I will agree on that so you have to shop around and we have found a fantastic public school for our son. Extremely high cost of living? have you lived here? Interest rates much lower, insurance much lower, food about the same, rates, water, elec pretty similar. Public school $146 per year. Medicare free for whole family. My son had a bad ear infection. Took him to the local hospital. In and out in 15 mins and did not pay a cent. Over regulation well it does appear to be so but after living in chaos for so long it does take some getting used to living in an organised country where you can book your drivers license in less than a week. I call it ORGANISED. Yes there are water shortages far worse than in SA but desalination plants are being built and Aus has small population so I am not worried. I would like to hear from the person above if they have lived in Aus? Drug abuse, lack of discipline, teenage pregnancies well depends on who you are in society. I think all countries in the world have these same issues. Living in SA in beautiful upper class suburbs you do not see the realities of what the MAJORITY does and this is a fact. So now tell me something that I am saying that is wrong. I am speaking from experience.