Louis Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I am a 49 year old principal of a primary school in the RSA. I am also a registered Educational Psychologist. Where can I look for a sponser because my age counts against me. Both my children will immigrate as well (they are both qualified teachers).Please help!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiezelM Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Hi LouisDie beste wat jy kan doen is om aansoek te doen by skole. Onderwysers is groot in aanvraag hier. Miskien kan hulle jou sponsor, of jy kan in 'n regional area gaan werk, waar dit uit die stad uit is, en in 'n klein dorpie. As jy bereid is om dit te doen, sal jy miskien 'n 457 kan kry, maar ek is nie doodseker nie. Hier is 'n paar onderwysers io die forum wat jou miskien beter kan help.Ek hoop rerig jy kom reg!!! My hart gaan uit na jou!!Baie sterkte! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SASydneysider Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Hi Louis,I suggest you contact Dax by sending him a personal mail. Here is Dax's profile. He is a teacher in Adelaide, South Australia. I'm sure he will be able to give you some advice.Good luck and let us know how you progress!!SAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilo Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Louis,Dax het in hierdie week of verlede week 'n post gesit vir onnies. PM hom, hy is 'n great ou en ek is seker sal kan help!!Hoop julle kom gou gou reg.GroeteNilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 Louis,I would also suggest you approach privae schools - the state schools generally don't sponsor people.Look on seek.com.au and teachers.on.netTracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie_Al Posted July 24, 2007 Report Share Posted July 24, 2007 I am a 49 year old principal of a primary school in the RSA. I am also a registered Educational Psychologist. Where can I look for a sponser because my age counts against me. Both my children will immigrate as well (they are both qualified teachers).Please help!!!!!!!!!I am sure you will find a sponsor - ideally best if you can get one before your 50th birthday, be sure to try for an ENS (Employer Nominated Sponsored) visa (rather than 457) as it is a permanent visa - but if 457 is offered take it and try for PR (Permanent Residency) later. Also, your children should press ahead with their own individual applications ASAP, as once they are settled there it will strengthen your case for PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 (edited) I am a 49 year old principal of a primary school in the RSA. I am also a registered Educational Psychologist. Where can I look for a sponser because my age counts against me. Both my children will immigrate as well (they are both qualified teachers).Please help!!!!!!!!!Hi Louis,I hope it's Ok if I post this here in the open forum where the info could be shared wider aroundHere’s some more info as well as some links that you may find useful.This link will go to the DECS (Department of Education and Children’s Services) in South Australia’s website (sub-page) that deals with vacancies on managerial level at schools as well as support services.You mentioned that you are a school Psychologist as well. Here in South Oz we refer to them as “Guidance Officers”. There’s not many position in that respect that I’m aware of, but there may be some in country locations. However, we have a lot of school-based Councillor positions in South Oz, and it may be worth your while to check this option out as well.I give some information in respect of leadership positions first, as there is a chance that you may find something there, as DECS started to recruit overseas for leadership positions.Many of the positions that you see advertised for Principal, Deputy Principal and Assistant Principal are in South Oz country locations, and that especially is where the South Oz government is prepared to look to candidates from overseas to fill the positions.I have not read it outright in DECS statements, but it is implied that if DECS is willing to employ people from overseas, they will also be willing to sponsor you and to assist with the appropriate visa.Leadership Positions - School & Children's Services BasedLeadeship PositionsInfo on Teacher’s Salaries (Amounts in Aus Dollars)SalariesLeadership positions – Non School BasedLeadership-Non School BasedThere is also the option to come and start here as a classroom teacher, but classroom teachers are not recruited or sponsored from overseas, you have to go through the registration, application process like any South Oz teacher. (I explained this in the article that I have posted on saustralia.com under: EMPLOYMENT: Tips, Queries, News: TEACHING IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA).Just use the links that I have posted with that article, to find some first hand info.The link below deals with frequently asked questions and I see that there are sections on overseas applicants as well, it may be worth your while to check this our as wellFrequently Asked QuestionsFrequently asked questionsHope you find this info useful,Dax Edited July 25, 2007 by Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 All the above info pertains to South Australias' State school system - sorry i forgot to mention it above!Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilo Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Told you, Dax to the resque.Dankie Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted July 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Told you, Dax to the resque.Dankie DaxHet nie besef dat daar so baie dierbare mense vanuit Suid Afrika mense in Australië is nie. Baie dankie vir almal se raad en hulp sover - veral vir Dax. Hoop om binnekort reg te kom!Groete aan almal.Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Thanks Nilo Here is some more info regarding overseas candidates for leadership positions with DECS. (South Australia) This link leads to the circular that announced the new policy regarding overseas candidates for leadership positions.DECS CircularThis link leads to the vacancies site for DECS leadership positions; Vacansies Leadership PositionsCheers,Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted July 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Hi DaxWeereens baie dankie vir al die inligting wat jy aangestuur het. Dit is vir my ongelooflik dat iemand soveel moeite doen sonder dat ons persoonlik ontmoet het. Ek is besig om deur al jou "links" te werk om op hoogte te kom van die Australiese onderwysstelsel. Op watter form doen mens aansoek vir 'n pos? Indien jy van 'n pos te hore kom waar ek moontlik 'n "sponsorship" as onderwyser of opvoedkundige sielkundige kan kry moet jy asb laat weet - dit sal alles baie vergemaklik. Beide my kinders (22 en 26 jaar) is ook gekwalifiseerde onderwysers en stel ook belang om saam te immigreer - hulle wil egter nie indien ek nie kan immigreer nie.Groete Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 (edited) Dagse Louis,“n Mens doen nie in Suid Oz aansoek vir leiers-poste op 'n bepaalde vorm nie. ‘n Mens se aansoek kom basies neer op wat 'n mens kan noem 'n soort "opstel" van 4 - 5 bladsye bladsye waarin jy op grond van jou ondervinding jouself ast'ware in die pos waarvoor jy aansoek doen projekteer.Wanneer 'n pos geadverteer word word daar ook 'n "job & person specification" vir die pos beskikbaar gestel. Elke pos het 'n kontak-persoon wat 'n mens dan kontak en hulle stuur vir jou die "specifications" vir die pos en dan begin jy aansoek doen.Gee my so "n paar dae kans dan kyk wat ek vir jou kan doen met;* Ek sal DECS bel en hoor wat is die prosedure met ouens soos jy presies.* Ek sal "n paar voorbeelde van Person/Job Specification kry en dit op jou oorspronklike thread pos* Ek sal ook voorbeelde probeer kry van "aansoek opstelle”|' sodat jy kan sien wat ek daarmee bedoel.Ek sal die bogenoemde inligting ophierdie thread pos.Sal jy en jou kinders bereid wees om in die landelike gebiede poste te aanvaar? Baie mense hou nie daarvan om buite die stede skool te hou nie, maar dis makliker om hier in Suid-oz geholpe te raak as 'n mens bereid is om aanvanklik in een een van die plattelandse stede/dorpe te gaan skoolhou. DECS sukkel dikwels om poste in plattelandse areas gevul te kry. Daar is ook sekere aansporings pakette vir mense wat bereid is om vir 'n paar jaar 'n landelike post te aanvaar.Groete,Dax Edited July 30, 2007 by Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Hi Louis,Inligting wat ek sover kon kry is die volgende:Ek kon sover net ‘n junior konsultant gekontak kry.Jy mag slegs vir skoolhoof posisies aansoek doen, niks laer in rang nie, en jy mag aansoek doen vir enige skoolhoof-pos in Suid Australie wat inpas by jou kwalifijasies/ondervinding. (P01 en P02 is jou kleiner skole terwyl P04 tot P06 die groter skole is.)Jy moet die “Job& Person Specifications” verkry van die Distrikskantoor wat dit adverteer, en in jou aansoek-opstel moetr die person specification weerspieel. Die paneel sal wil sien hoe “projekteer” jy jouself in die posisie.Dit wil voorkom asof DECS ‘n video konferensie of ‘n telefoniese onderhoud met jou sal voer indien jy gekontak sal work vir ‘n onderhoud.Jy kan “online” aansoek doen, ,maar jy sal ook ‘n getekende harde kopie van jou aansoek moet aanstuur.Ek het hierdie inligting verkry van een van di egewone personeel konsultante. Hy beveel egter aan dat jy in verbinding tree met ‘n senior personeel konsultant by Tel. No.: (08) 8226 1590, 9:00vm – 5:00nm kantoor ure hier in Suid Australia.Dit sal moontlik beter wees indien jy DECS Recruiting per e-pos kontak by decs.recruitment@sagov.sa.gov.auGee hulle soveel moontlik inligting, vra vrae ens. DECS se admin mense is hoogs professioneel en sal jou alle moonlike inligting gee waarvoor jy vra..Hier sal jy veral inligtig kry oor sponsorships, of hulp met visas. Dit sal beter wees as jy hulle self kontak en spesifieke vrae vra, jy sal die beste weet wat jy wil uitvind, bv. Sponsored visas, wat jou posisie as aansoeker is terwyl jy yuit die aard van die saak nie op hoogte is van Suid Australiese beleide, sisteme ens.Ek kan nie dit waarborg nie, maar ek vermoed dat indien jy suksesvol is met ‘n aansoek in ‘n landelike area, dan mag DECS jou dalk help met verhuisongs koste.Die persoon met wie ek gepraat het kon my nie spesifieke inligting gee nie aangesien van die meer senior konsultante oorsese aansoeke hanteer, en nie een van hulle beskikbaar was tydens my oproep nie.Jou kinders sal eers geholpe kan raak met poste wanneer hulle eers hier is en gerigestreer is en ‘n aktiverings aansoek be DECS gemaak het. Hulle kan natuurlik met die proses begin terwyl hulle in RSA vir hulle visas wag. (Ek het myne destyds so ge-“dovetail” dat ek klaar hier geregistreer was met ‘n aktiverings aansoek en al, met die gevolg dat ek basies vir poste kon begin soek het pas nadat ek van die vliegtuig afgeklim het.)Indien jou kinders ook aanvanklik in die landeklike areas wil begin skoolhou behoort hulle nie juis te sukkel vir poste nie.Die poste waarvoor jy op hierdie stadium aansoek mag doen is om te begin gedurende Januarie 2008, dus as jy suksesvol is, sal jy in gedagte moet hou dat vandat jy hehoor het jy het ‘n pos, sal dinge VINNIG moet beweeg, want alle poste wat tans geadverteer word is vir Januarie 2008.Groete,Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MannyT Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 " hy is 'n great ou en ek is seker sal kan help!!"Hear!Hear! well done sir! If Luis and his "children" ending up comming to South Australia I will provide the beers/wine for the celebration.Keep up the good work Dax.regardsManny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted August 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Hi DaxKan weereens nie vir jou sê hoe dankbaar ek is vir jou volgehoue hulp nie. Ek het begin om die DECS te kontak om meer inligting omtrent sekere poste. Ek wag nou net dat hulle die inligting vir my stuur per e-pos. Ek sal dit hoog op prys stel indien jy vir my een van daardie "opstelle" in die hande kan kry. Ek gaan my resume aanheg maar ek is seker dat dit nie voldoende gaan wees nie. Maak asb. aanbevelings. AS en dit is 'n groot AS ek regkom gaan ek vir jou 'n GROOT braaivleis (dink julle noem dit BBQ) hou wanneer ek daar kom.Groete - Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 " hy is 'n great ou en ek is seker sal kan help!!"Hear!Hear! well done sir! If Luis and his "children" ending up comming to South Australia I will provide the beers/wine for the celebration.Keep up the good work Dax.regardsMannyThanks MannyT ! You and Nilo made me blush a bit! Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 (edited) Hi DaxKan weereens nie vir jou sê hoe dankbaar ek is vir jou volgehoue hulp nie. Ek het begin om die DECS te kontak om meer inligting omtrent sekere poste. Ek wag nou net dat hulle die inligting vir my stuur per e-pos. Ek sal dit hoog op prys stel indien jy vir my een van daardie "opstelle" in die hande kan kry. Ek gaan my resume aanheg maar ek is seker dat dit nie voldoende gaan wees nie. Maak asb. aanbevelings. AS en dit is 'n groot AS ek regkom gaan ek vir jou 'n GROOT braaivleis (dink julle noem dit BBQ) hou wanneer ek daar kom.Groete - LouisEk sal na jou Resume kyk en jou laat weet. Ek stuur vir jou 'n voorbeeld van 'n "opstel" sodra ek een kan opspoor. (Meeste mense hier is nie baie geneig om hulle opstelle te "deel" nie, om verkeie redes. Daar behoort egter iewers voorbeelde beskikbaar te wees vir mense wat idees soek hoe om te werk te gaan.)Die 'opstelle' is wat die woord se, 'n tipe opstel of applikasie brief waarin jy jou soort van in die pos "ingiet". Die paneel wil sien wat is jou ondervinding en kennis, en in jou applijkasie brief moet jy aan hulle demonstreer hoe jy die pos al aanvat met verwysing na die items op die "person specification."Net vir ingeval, hier is nog 'n E -Pos adres om met DECS se personeel afdeling in verbinding te tree"SiteHumanResources@saugov.sa.gov.auGroete,Dax Edited August 1, 2007 by Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Haai Louis,Hier is 'n voorbeeld van 'n 2 bladsy "opstel" Hou egter in gedagte dat aansoek vir prinsipaal posisies sowat 5 bladsye behoort te beslaan.Hierdie voorbeeld was vir 'n aansoek vir 'n E-Learning Coordinator vir 'n skool distrik, maar dit behoort jou 'n idee te gee.Groete,DaxVOORBEELD:Application_for_District_e_Teacher_1.doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted August 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hi DaxHet toe nou weer op 'n manier die "attachment" gedeelte gekry (leer nou vinnig). Lees asb en indien iets vreemd of nie reg klink nie moet jy maar laat weet. Het net 'n gedeelte van die boodskap gekry waar jy sê jy is nog in die onderwys - die res sal seker later deurkom. Hou duim vas vir ons!Groete Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hi DaxHet toe nou weer op 'n manier die "attachment" gedeelte gekry (leer nou vinnig). Lees asb en indien iets vreemd of nie reg klink nie moet jy maar laat weet. Het net 'n gedeelte van die boodskap gekry waar jy sê jy is nog in die onderwys - die res sal seker later deurkom. Hou duim vas vir ons!Groete LouisHi Louis,Ek het die attachment afgelaai en sal na jou toe terugkom met raad en advies, ek sal baie deeglig daarna moet kyk om te sien hoe did inpas by aansoek-verwagtinge van panele hier in Suid OzMoedhou!Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 (edited) Hier is 'n dokument wat riglyne en raad gee hoe om aansoeke te skryf vir bestuurs-poste in skole in South Australia. Die riglyne is natuurlik ook geldig en toepaslik op gewone onderwysposte ook.DECSGuidelinesforApplications.docEk soek nog na voorbeelde van aansoeke maar die goed is blykbaar skaars.Groete,Dax Edited August 20, 2007 by Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suidwes Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Dax,Ek wens die regering in Suid-Afrika ( en talle mense wat nie wil immigreer nie) wil net soms hierdié forum lees en dan besef wat Suid-AFrika verloor het in terme van professionel mense en GOEIE mense.Jy is regtig 'n voorbleed vir ons almal.Sw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Hier is nog 'n voorbeeld van riglyne hoe 'n mens 'n aansoek uitskryf:Steps in addressing Selection Criteria1. Create a new documentInclude a header or title that includes your name, the job title and position number, and a brief title indicating the purpose of the document. Suitable titles include: Statement of Claims Against the Selection Criteria, Selection Criteria Statement, Selection Criteria Summary, or Summary Addressing Selection Criteria. 2. Use each of the selection criteria as headingsEnter each selection criterion as a separate heading in the new document, leaving space after heading to address that selection criterion. 3. Prove your ability to meet each criterion(this is time consuming and requires thought!). In addressing each criterion, summarise the way in which your skills, qualifications, experience and personal attributes are relevant for that particular criterion. Make sure you understand the key phrases and addressing these in your application (eg. 'Experience in','Knowledge of'). Often there are subtle differences in meaning that can be crucial to selection. Make sure you understand the difference in levels of qualities being sought and providing evidence and concrete examples to illustrate you meet the required level. For example, "I have 7 years experience in...". Make sure you understand the differences in key roles or functions described. For example, the roles of managing, leading, supervising, organising, and administering are often confused or articulated poorly. Understanding of the subtle differences must be indicated when you address those criteria. Demonstrate skills and abilities being sought and providing concrete examples and descriptions of these skills and abilities. Common areas include contributing to the work group, interacting with people and managing your own performance. Don't make unsupported claims or sales pitches about your skills based on personal pinion alone. For example, "I have well developed presentation and liaison skills". You should select and include evidence from your employment history or education to support any assertions of competence. For example, "my excellent management ability is demonstrated by...". The best examples illustrate the complexity and demands of the tasks. Use direct, active verbs, and using verbs which indicate exactly what your contribution was. Address all parts of the selection criteria. Be selective and appropriate in your use of dot points rather than long paragraphs of text. Demonstrate your writing skills in this document. Avoid words and phrases which reduce your credibility (eg some, a little, limited). Do Be concise. - Organise your application. - Give relevant personal details. - Comment on the extent to which your claims match the selection criteria giving concrete examples. - Format your application neatly. - Check for spelling and grammatical errors. - Submit your application on time or seek a time extension with good reason. - Include a covering letter and resume with your statement addressing the selection criteria. Don't - Give great detail about duties performed many years ago that are not relevant to the current position. - Use poor photocopies of old or general applications. - Waffle.Hope it helps,Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dax Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Dax,Ek wens die regering in Suid-Afrika ( en talle mense wat nie wil immigreer nie) wil net soms hierdié forum lees en dan besef wat Suid-AFrika verloor het in terme van professionel mense en GOEIE mense.Jy is regtig 'n voorbleed vir ons almal.SwDankie Sw! Dis maar hoe ons mense is jong! Off Topic"n Goeie voorbeeld van hoe mense mekaar help kom daar uit jou geweste in Suid Wes afrika.Doer in die 70's op 'n keer keer ek terug Johannesburg toe na 'n weermag stint op Oshakati. Ek besluit om tyd te spaar en om terug JHB toe te hike. (Of dis hoe my gedagtes geloop het.)Ek staat toe vir omtrent 'n halwe dag buite Grootfontein en toe kom daar 'n jong Suid-Wester wat my 'n lift gee tot in Windhoek waar sy ouers woon. (Op Okahandja stop ons eers om sy meisie op te laai.) In Windhoek aangekom word ek saamgeneen na sy ouerhuis toe, daar kry ek aandete n later toe gaan sien die hele gesin my af op Windhoek Stasie. Dit was nou vir jou Suid Wes gasvryheid op sy beste!Dis van daai dag af dat ek vas glo dat alle Suid Westers loop op water!Groete,Dax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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