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Does anyone knows how many Saffers moved to Australia in 2008/9


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We know that the South Africans who left Australia are around 630 in 2008/9 financial year, so I want to determine what percentage that is of the total.

I am tired of all the hoo-ha of every 2nd person in SA saying 'but so and so went to Aus and they are back' or newspaper articles on 'the large number of emigrants who are returning to SA'

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You can probably find the figures on the DIAC site.

Here is a list of arrivals for 2008/9 by country Total arrivals but that includes visitors, return residents etc

And here is temporary visitors temporary arrivals - I am not sure if those numbers include 457 visa holders

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Only about 7200 out of a total 158k in 08-09 according to the following report (see page 10). I expected it to be higher, but it's probably correct. http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/...rrivals0809.pdf

What is interesting is that is up faire bit as a percentage versus prior years...

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7201 people immigrated from South Africa to Australia in 2008/9 financial year

635 South Africans left Australia in the same financial year

If my maths are right, that means 8,8% of South Africans leaves Australia compared to those Saffers who enters it - 8,8% actually very high - I thought it was more like 2%

Variables/uncertainties - (i) question is how many of the 8,8% are leaving for other countries (and not necessarily go back to SA) and (ii) dont know if that takes any visa status into account (e.g does this only apply to people with permanent residency or does it include everybody including 457 visa holders)

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True, but if you think about it 1 in 10 going back is actually not that high - I'm sure homecoming revolution would like to convince people it's a lot more than that. Simplistically speaking it basically means you have a 90% chance of staying if you immigrate to Aus :rolleyes:

Editted because I just had another thought though. Too be fair you should probably compare the number who left last year to the number of arrivals of 2 - 3 years ago as many of those leaving would have been here a little while before going back. 2 - 3 years back the arrivals was more around the 4000 mark which would push the percentage of returns to around 15%

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Another measure may be the amount of DIAC visas awarded to RSA citizens, I am sure I saw this somewhere on their website, I think RSA ranked 4th in visa awards.

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Something I would be very curious about is whether a person activating their PR counts as a "settler". and if so I've often wondered about what the percentage is of people who activate their visa PR but return to SA and eventually decide not to move accross. That would distort the stats.

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7201 people immigrated from South Africa to Australia in 2008/9 financial year

635 South Africans left Australia in the same financial year

If my maths are right, that means 8,8% of South Africans leaves Australia compared to those Saffers who enters it - 8,8% actually very high - I thought it was more like 2%

Variables/uncertainties - (i) question is how many of the 8,8% are leaving for other countries (and not necessarily go back to SA) and (ii) dont know if that takes any visa status into account (e.g does this only apply to people with permanent residency or does it include everybody including 457 visa holders)

Remember - it doesn't say whether these immigrations back to SA are voluntary or out of necessity. The recession last year resulted in loads of retrenchments and it was very difficult to get work.

Also, the official stats of people coming in and going out includes work-visa peeps. Sometimes PR doesn't work out or you lose your job resulting in work visa peeps going back back home.

I would hazard a guess that probably less than 5% of people going back actually want to leave.

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From http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/...ration-2009.pdf

This one is important Saffers return to SA:

Page 35 South African born permanent departures and South Africa as future residence

of the 635 leaving, 128 Returned to South Africa and 507 left for other countries

Stats to South Africa

Page 22 Permanent departures from Australia to South Africa, 359 left to go to South Africa up by 68.

Page 48 Overseas born permanent departures from Australia to South Africa as future residence, 196 left to go to South Africa up by 43

Page 41 Australia born permanent departures from Australia to South Africa as future residence, 163 left to go to South Africa up by 25 ( this would include children of the previous stat)

Page 34 Overseas born permanent departures from Australia born in South Africa and period of residence in Australia

106 < 2 years

81 2 - 5years

440 5 + years

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Someone from the South African government should be trolling these type of sites ... and they should be concerned at the skills flight from SA. One can only imagine the total number of skilled people leaving SA to Aus and other countries and the impact it has on South Africa's economy.

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I think it would be safe to add most of the 1034 "Zimbabwe-born" arrivals to the figure of 7201, as I would guess that most of these people have been living in RSA for many years (and could be considered as South Africans)?

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OK, read my lips....

I don't care if every single qualified person leaves south africa.

And I'll be very happy if the government doesn't care either. They don't even deserve the skills of the people that doesn't leave.

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OK, read my lips....

I don't care if every single qualified person leaves south africa.

And I'll be very happy if the government doesn't care either. They don't even deserve the skills of the people that doesn't leave.

I couldn't agree more. The government keeps hammering on about the brain-drain and how they don't want to lose the skills, and yet they won't give us the oppertunity to put our skills to good use. About the middle of last year I applied for a job as a senior network administrator for a large government department, and with Kimberley so small you pretty much know everyone else in IT, so I knew most of the people who were there for the interviews on the same day as I was. Without blowing my own trumpet, I KNOW I stacked up well against the other people. Want to take a guess who ended up getting a job?

A student, who finished his diploma end of 2008, doesn't have a single say's worth of experience under his belt, but he got a SENIOR ADMINISTRATOR job. Would you like to guess why? Because he studied on a government scholarship. (Well, that's the rumour I heard anyway.)

I've had enough, my skills and experience counts for jack, all because of a system of government that came to an end when I WAS 11!!!! Why am I still being punished for it?!

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From http://www.immi.gov.au/media/publications/...ration-2009.pdf

This one is important Saffers return to SA:

Page 35 South African born permanent departures and South Africa as future residence

of the 635 leaving, 128 Returned to South Africa and 507 left for other countries

So am I correct then that the return rate of South Africans who have PR to South Africa is roughly less than 2%? (Based on 128 out of 7201) and the exit rate of South Africans from Aus to other-countries is roughly 7%? I say roughly because not all of the 128 were part of the 7201 who arrived.

I think it would be safe to add most of the 1034 "Zimbabwe-born" arrivals to the figure of 7201, as I would guess that most of these people have been living in RSA for many years (and could be considered as South Africans)?

No you can't assume this, because your statistical nationality will depend on the passport you apply for the visa with, not the country you are arriving from. The Zimbabwean born person would have to have and apply with a South African passport to be part of the South African stats.

And this principle will of course distort the South African arrival figures because those South Africans who have a British passport would apply with that British passport to avoid the IELTS, and thus be included in the British immigrant figures and not the South African ones.

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PieterK,

People in OZ asks me why I moved here, I tell them the main reason is for work. My qualifications for doing the job doesn't count in SA, nor does my 16 years experience because I don't have THAT skill. When they ask me about the skill I'm referring to I just point at my lack of pigmentation on my skin.

I don't think I'm overly racist, but skin colour is NOT a skill anywhere else in the world last time I checked. Thankfully not so in OZ.

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