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  1. Did citizenship ceremony on line via webex today. Very simple and efficient. While I regret not having the pomp and ceremony of a public event, I'm so grateful that this was an alternative that meant we didn't have to wait. The Home Affairs official was lovely and made the ceremony special in it's own way. Advance Australia Fair!
  2. veinkamerer

    Immigration laws

    This past week I've read some articles regarding probably changes to visas and visa grants. From time periods of applying for PR to qualifying and receiving citizenship. There is also an article about "is Australia big enough for the the migrants entering Australia?" and that they could maybe cut on the amounts of visas issued. My question is... when we apply for a visa and you buy into its rules and regulations at that specific time, can the dep. of immigration change the conditions for that specific visa? eg. 489 regional sponsorship ... 2 years living in a regional area and 1 year work to qualify for 887 PR and then 2 years on that 887 you qualify for citizenship. Maybe a stupid question, but one that got us a bit thinking and are uncertain about. Thank you.
  3. Hi I wouldn't be surprised if this topic has come up before. Need some input and suggestions please. Apparently, before you become an Australian Citizen you need to inform the South African Government. If you don't inform them before you become an AU Citizen then you lose your South African citizenship. Some questions I was hoping someone could shed some light on: 1. If the South African Government is not informed by a person obtaining dual citizenship, how do they know whether this happened? So in other words how does SA know that Australian citizenship (dual) was obtained? (e.g. Immigration system at passport control or is SA Government informed by Australia)? 2. If SA citizenship is lost you need a letter from the SA Government to travel there (after you personally inform SA and renunciate your SA citizenship the SA Government apparently sends you a letter 6-12 months later, which you need to carry with you when entering South Africa on a Australian passport). Why do we need a letter to get into SA on an Australian Passport if an Ozzy can travel on a AU passport without a VISA? 3. If SA citizenship is lost, you are still a permanent resident. What is the primary difference between a SA citizen & a permanent resident? How does losing citizenship affect conducting your banking business (if you still have SA bank accounts) and other admin related activities when you go back to South Africa? Thanks in advance. Pixy
  4. wendym

    Citizenship Application

    Hi Members, Apologies if this question has been asked before or is just purely silly I know that in order to be eligible for Citizenship Application, one of the criteria is to have been in Australia for 4 years. But I was wondering if this is 4 years at the time of application for Citizenship or at the time of taking the test. The reason I'm asking is because I'd like for us to do the test as soon as we've been in Aus for 4 years. Am I over eager?? A second question.... Would the 4 years be calculated for the entire family unit based on the first family member's arrival or the last family member's arrival TIA
  5. HI everyone On the 1st page of the EOI it asks if the applicant is a citizen of any other countries. My wife has a french passport and she is the applicant. Obviously we have to say yes! but what are the implications? WIll we need to get french police clearance??? I am the additional / secondary applicant and i have a german passport. Would the same apply to me? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. JJ
  6. Hey folks! I did the online citizen check and apparently we are eligible in this year already... I was under the impression that they only started counting the years once you settle in Aus, but it seems they are also taking our validation trip into account. Maybe someone who knows the rules can confirm what I hope is true! We did our validation of our 175 PR visa in early October 2012 and moved here early September 2013 permanently. According to the site we are eligible end October 2016, but I figured we would only be eligible September 2017. Please let it be true that 2016 is our year!! The other thing is between Oct 2012 and Sep 2013, we had our son who had to get his own child visa. Would he also be eligible when we are or only 4 years after he set foot on Aus soil himself? If we can get it this year, I'm guessing we will need PCCs for RSA for 2012-2013 that we were there... Ciao Erik
  7. Hi All, Do we have to apply as individuals? Is there a family application? I could google and read for hours but I'd rather get reliable information from those that have done it. Thanks Cheers M
  8. With the benefit of hindsight, access to internet searches or hearing from friends and fellow Saffers abroad that..... "The South African Citizenship Act provides for retention of South African citizenship PRIOR to the acquisition of a foreign citizenship. A condition of attaining dual citizenship for all South African citizens aged 18 years or older is that they must apply and be granted permission to retain their South African citizenship prior to the acquisition of a foreign citizenship". Further details here But, what happens if you did not know? What happens if you applied for and acquired foreign citizenship and now, after you have your citizenship of another country you realise that "If a South African citizen does not obtain this prior permission they will automatically lose their South African citizenship on voluntary acquisition of a foreign citizenship." This has happened to me and my family so I contacted the Dept. Home Affairs (DHA) and I was told that since we did not apply for the permission letter, the SA Citizenship of my wife and I (our kids are under 18) has automatically been renounced. I enquired about having our citizenship reinstated which I'm told is possible, well sort of! If you were born in SA it's your birthright to always have the right to permanent residence. All you need to do is move back (yes, on a tourist visa valid for 90 days) and start the process to reinstate your permanent residence. My wife however was born in UK and got SA citizenship through naturalisation when she was a child. Tough luck, she needs to start from scratch and has no rights to reinstate her permanent residence or citizenship. I've contacted DHA and had no joy talking to them so I turned to the Shadow Minister of Home Affairs, Mr Manny de Freitas. He at least replied to my emails and actually sympathises with me. The reason why he is sympathetic to my problem is that I did not know about the permission letter until I had acquired Aus citizenship. Nowhere in our passports does it say that we need to apply for permission and nowhere did the Australian Authorities inform us that we needed to acquire DHA permission. Of course it's not the Australians fault or responsibility but it is the responsibility of DHA to ensure that their citizens are informed of this very important information. The obvious place to post such information is in a current passport or have a relationship with Dept of Immigration of countries like Britain, Ireland, NZ, Aus, Canada, USA etc where Saffers would commonly apply for citizenship. Sorry for the long-winded story but I really feel like those of us who unknowingly acquired the citizenship of another country without applying for the permission for dual citizenship letter really need to stand together. I'm not asking DHA for an exemption or any different treatment other than asking them to accept the application for permission even after the foreign citizenship has been granted. There's a FaceBook page for those interested and the more support the better. http://www.facebook....alSACitizenship Looking forward to hearing from people caught in a similar situation. PS! Even if your not in a similar position please spread the word about the Face Book page. Attached is a scan of my SA passport Conditions of Issue and no mention if permission for dual citizenship being required.
  9. Hi All, We are ready to apply for citizenship but the dreaded decision is holding us back. "Do we apply for retention of ZA citizenship?" I have read many posts here and understand that it is a personal choice based on our own circumstances That accepted, I am needing to know the following in this scenario: We (Adults) don't apply for retentionKids (both) under 18 will by default retain their citizenshipWe (entire family) travel to South Africa on holidayWe (Adults) use Aussie passportsWhat passports do kids enter South Africa on?In this article (2013), a Swiss-Aussie living here for 40 years could not return to Australia as the Aussie government cannot interfere when you are in a country where you hold dual citizenship. Assuming South Africa make military service compulsory for a specific age group and we travel to ZA; our kids could be forced to serve and there is nothing the Australian government can do about it. Information sourced: http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/10/30/aussies-warned-pitfalls-dual-nationalityFrom SmartTraveller.com.au: http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/tips/dual-nationals.htmlWhat is dual nationality?Many Australians are migrants, children of migrants or were born overseas. This means that many Australians are dual nationals or could be regarded as dual nationals by another country. You may not even know that you're a dual national. If you are a dual national, your dual nationality may have implications for you if you travel to the country of your other nationality. For example: you might be liable for military serviceyou might be liable for prosecution for offences under the laws of that country, even if they were committed outside itif the government of that country doesn't recognise dual nationality, the ability of the Australian Government to provide consular assistance may be limited.Confusion does not begin to describe... (..and it's true; this is a first world problem...)
  10. Can anyone confirm what happens to the rights of a SA citizen minor when the child's parents (and the child) receive a second nationality? This is what I've been told by the consulate so far: - on receipt of a second citizenship (without permission) the parents forfeit their SA citizenship, but not minor children - up until age of 16, a child can be a dual national and travel to South Africa on a foreign passport - from 16, the child must travel to SA on SA passport - a minor may not renounce their SA citizenship and this can only be done upon reaching 18 (although then the form BI-246 is mildly confusing as it states : "The responsible parent must sign on behalf of a minor child"? Does this mean, there is no way for a child aged 16-17 to travel to SA without a SA passport?? ....and a second question : Seemingly a bit contradictory, the Citizenship Act (section 7-3) states that if a child's parents renounce their SA citizenship, that child also ceases to be a citizen. Upon reaching the age of 18, can such a child apply to have their citizenship reinstated?
  11. Hi everyone. Forgive me if this has been asked multiple times, but I havent seemed to find the answer any where. I have just lodged my Police Clearance forms in Pretoria, and was wondering what peoples experience has been in how long it took for them to recieve their certificate. Ive heard it can take anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months? thanks for your help! Dani
  12. HI All, Here is question I want to get some thoughts on. Is there any point in retaining RSA Citizenship? We are in the process of applying for our Aus citizenship at the moment. I honestly did not give any thought to retaining RSA citizenship as I dont think there would ever be a need for it. BUT My wife and I do still own a property in Jeffreys Bay (which we would love to sell), and I am not sure how giving up citizenshipo in RSA would affect the sale/ handling of this. Is anyone able to give me an opinion on this? Based on facts etc? Many thanks
  13. origincanada

    Retention of SA citizenship forms

    Hi there Been in Aus just over 4 years now and decided to start the journey getting my Aus citizenship. As expected I started filling out the SA paperwork to retain my South African citizenship and come across a few vague questions. It could of course be me being a little slow - On form BI-1664 question 9 where it asks "How to be acquired?" - How does one answer this question??? Many thanks for any help. Cheers Clinton Smith Sydney Australia
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