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The necessity of a Skilled Assessment


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Hi everybody, this is my first post so please bear with me. I am in the process of emigration to Aus "duh" :) and would like to know if it is even necessary to get a Skilled Assessment through, in my case ACS (Aus Computer Society) if my experience predates my certification?

Would it be worth the money spent? Are there any advantages in this particular case? What are my options if this is not a viable avenue. Any responses will be appreciated, thank you.

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What sort of Visa are you applying for? If you are applying for a 189 Visa (Skilled Independent) then you need to have your skills assessed by the relevant authority like the ACS.

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The only reason you would use a skills assessment body is because

a) the particular visa you are applying for requires it.

B) the professional registration body requires it in order to issue a licence to practice your profession. Eg. Teachers registration Board

You would not do it to include in your CV.

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Nallan and Jordy, thank you for taking the time to reply....I am applying for both the 189 and 457 at the same time. Hopefully one of them gets a bite.....I have already applied to over 200 businesses within the last week as the R10000 visa is a far better choice than the R30000 visa skilled which is a bit dumbfounding in my opinion? I am a highly skilled IT specialist with a wall full of certifications and I am young, being only 31, so it would be a folly move to reject me in my opinion....either way we all have to go through the process I guess

My online profile if anybody is interested?

https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=34326374

And CV

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s4tv54crdw2k1ft/Andrew%20Theron%20-%20Curriculum%20Vitae%20V5.4.pdf?dl=0

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The 189 Visa is a better option as you can work anywhere/ any company and you can become a Aus citizen, with the 457 Visa - you are tied to the company, companies are also hesitant with the 457 Visa because of the amount of admin it requires from their side; it has to be a "rare" skill.

If you get a 457 Visa and if you like to stay in Aus then you would still have to apply for a PR Visa like the 189.

In terms of your skills, its difficult to say what Aussies look for; but its always better/easier when you are here. Even though I say that there is a huge element of luck in these things and if keep you applying and you just never know.

I don't think you need assessment on your certifications as they are international(Microsoft,SAP,Cisco); just on your University Degree/s.

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Many of the skilled visas require you to have a positive skills assessment prior to application. With the 189 you must be able to provide evidence of all the points you have claimed.

The 457 visa requires you to have been nominated by an employer before you can apply, not all businesses are eligible to sponsor.

The 457 is a temporary visa linked to the position, the 189 provides a permanent residence visa.

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One thing you'll learn about Australia is that the rules are there and no matter how many qualifications you have you'll have to go through the process like everyone else. To get into Australia as a skilled migrant, you are required to complete a skills assessment. If you don't, you'll never get the invite to apply for a 189.

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Just another small question ladies and gents; in the document checklist for the Skilled Independent Visa Subclass 189 it stipulates that "Your assessed points score must be equal to or greater than the points score you claimed in your EOI".

My question is, how can one ensure 100% that the assessment points is equal or > than EOI?

Thank you in advance for everybody's assistance!

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Hi Andrew,

I am a bit of an IT veteran, so I am going to give you some advice, some of which you will like, some you may not. :ilikeit::jester::boxing:

1: Both your links are dead. BAD idea if that was your intent to market yourself. If that was a recruiter, you were done for.

2: You will need your skills assessed any which way, based on you not being sponsored and your age. (Which is a bonus at so young, but will come under scrutiny)

3: You asked a question about the ACS being able to assess your experience and skills, but with emphasis on your experience which predates your qualification. (I assume) Yes they can and yes they do. I JUST went throught the wringer with them and I can tell you they are anal to the ninth degree. I fought a $3000 4 month battle with them and I am very highy qualified in my field. (Do NOT let that deter you, just saying to have your docoumentation in order)

4: There are good reasons why visas cost so much. They require these funds because Australia apply a VERY high level of diligence to immigrants prior to letting them in. If you are an skilled IT person as you allude to, you should have no issue getting in, in due course. The costs are also a deterrant to chancers. Just think about the millions of people who would love to get into Aus....

And now for the part you may not like....You make statements like "dumfounding"...and..."a folly move" They came out all wrong and the syntax is incorrect. If I read that, it gives the impression you are trying to use "big" words to impress. Won't help you in Aus. Trust me.

I can see you are trying to use the correct words, but either your syntax is getting lost in translation or your grasp of English may need some brushing. What I'm trying to say in a nice, roundabout way is that if I was hiring you, those mistakes would be a big negative. So my advice is to stick to some more basic English, unless you have an excellent spell/syntax checker, and/or somebody who can proof read your comments prior to posting. Sorry mate, I am trying to help.

I have just reread your post a 3rd time and can see your "tail feathers' stand proud just as mine did at that age. You go mate! :ilikeit: :ilikeit: :blush-anim-cl::ilikeit:

As for your last question about whether (not weather!!!) your skills on the EOI matches 100% or more, well mate, that's one of the controls the DIBP put on the system when you apply. If you BS them, they WILL catch you out, and you face a 3 year ban.

But good sir, if you have skills, and so young, give it horns. All of us on SAA are barracking for you to succeed!!! (We use "barrack" instead of root in Aus, "root" means, err, other things!) :blush-anim-cl:

Conclusion, you are doing the right thing, keep going younng man! We are all for you! :ilikeit: :ilikeit: :ilikeit:

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Wow thank you @SurferMan for your swift reply, what an awesome post! It's great when one gets a straight forward answer. But when you get a straight forward answer, constructive criticism and a "barrack" its PRICELESS as they say!

From what I understand from your advice and others is to keep it simple and be honest. Pardon my English, lately I speak more Afrikaans in my current position than my native language English and things don't always come out as they are supposed to. Am currently preparing for the Pearson Vue PTE Academic English exam so we are looking at eat/speak/sleep English (:

Currently I have the PTE English Academic exam through Pearson Vue, Microsoft MCSE 70-247 & 70-415 exam on 09th Feb then on the 10th I have Microsoft 70-416 & 70-726 exam to obtain MCSE in Public Cloud and Desktop Infrastructure status. I read on ACS's website that ACS considers an MCSE designation equivalent to a Major Degree so this will in effect give me 3X Major Degrees, correct me if I am wrong.

Preferably, I don't want to give anyone any reason to not want to accept me in the first place. And this is why I have been going overboard in the last 2 years to obtain certification as I was never put through university due to lack of funding. Nevertheless, the assessment will be done as soon as I obtain my double MCSE.

From a work experience perspective, I don't want to create waves at work by asking my current employer for a reference, I don't feel that it is necessary and personally it seems a little disrespectful. My current position has been held for the past 4 years and prior to that, another IT position for 3 more years. I didn't want to exclude the 4 years experience so I have asked a fellow senior employee to write a statutory declaration which I have in my possession already, after being signed by a notary.

My plan is to throw everything in the book at them as a negative assessment isn't an option for me.

Anyway thanks again for taking time to share advice and enthusiasm, much appreciated!

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Hi Andrew. Any feedback? Curious about the 3 MCSE degrees?

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Hi andrewtheronsa,

Yeah I am also curious, how are you getting on mate? As I said before, you certainly possess the ability to get into Aus, but you are smart to first make sure the odds are in your favour. Tell the forum!

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Andrew has not been on the forum since he posted the above post on the 19th January.

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Sorry to not have updated this thread, I frequent this site every week for information and I have found it invaluable, so I hereby thank the Moderators and everybody for their support thus far.

I have good news. ACS granted me a positive assessment. They use only the first obtained MCSE that was relevant ie: MCSE Server Infrastructure. The other MCSE's mean nothing as the points are not cumulative. If only they knew how much blood, sweat and tears were involved in obtaining those certs. My reference and statutory declaration for job experience had to be redone to their anal specifications.

Anyway the EOI was already waiting half filled in, so when the positive assessment was received on the 07/05/2015, I wasted no time to send it off which I did same day.

10 hours later on the same day, I received a Visa 189 invite, whoooooo hooooooo!!!!

I then lodged the application on the 21st as funding has been tight.

I have a few queries which I should have asked a long time ago already and wondered if anybody could help:

1) I have used the police to certify all documents. Is this ok? If not how do I go about correcting this. The ACS happily accepted my docs but I am worried about the DIBP.

2) All my documents are already uploaded except PCC, which arrives in a week as they had to redo it due to an invalid date of birth entered on the cert and my medicals which is in two weeks time.

3) No case officer has been assigned yet and I was wondering, can I remove the documents that I have uploaded as the files have spaces in their names which aren't allowed apparently. Also what will this error result in?

Thanks again everybody, holding thumbs now. Can't wait to be hitting St Kilda beach (:

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Hi Andrew,

1: The police are fine to certify your doccos.

2: That should be fine

3: I am not sure you can delete them....I am sure you can upload updated ones if need be. We submitted documents with spaces and it was no issue at all. Congrats on the 189 invite!

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Thanks @Surferman that is all I needed to hear. Had this sinking feeling in my gut that something was wrong, maybe I was just hungry or something (:

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@Surferman, one other question that I totally forgot was.

The last ten years of my working history has been included in the EOI and the Visa Application, including the CV that I have uploaded.

Three of those years involved two companies where I didn't do anything IT related and aren't applicable to the points that I am applying with.

Do I need to provide any information about these companies ie: reference, tax cert, work cert etc....The reason I am asking is because I cannot for the life of me find anything.

The two jobs that have got the experience points, have references, tax certs, contracts etc so they don't pose a problem.

Any advice?

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About a CO, don't stress too much. Sometimes you never hear from them until you get a grant letter. Sometimes they want to ask you stuff. Neither is indicative of getting a grant or not.

We'll hold thumbs for you.
(We're headed to Melbourne too)

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Awesome @RedPanda, Melbourne is an awesome city. St Kilda's kite surfing has also really caught my interest. I believe that most South Africans go to Perth but Melbourne seems to have a rather Cape Townish vibe to it, which suits me just fine.

Thanks for the comment!

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Could anybody please assist with this query below:

The last ten years of my working history has been included in the EOI and the Visa Application, including the CV that I have uploaded.

Three of those years involved two companies where I didn't do anything IT related and aren't applicable to the points that I am applying with and haven't been used to assess my qualifications.

Do I need to upload any information about these two non-IT related companies ie: reference, tax cert, work cert etc....The reason I am asking is because I cannot for the life of me find anything. And should I require such documents, then I have to start searching for ghosts in the closet as these companies have either gone bankrupt or changed ownership.

The two jobs that I have got the experience points for, have references, tax certs, contracts etc so they don't pose a problem.

Any advice is welcome?

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Hi Andrew,

Simple answer is no, since you answered your own question.

So, 10 years work experience. 3 of those not IT related. 10 - 3 = 7 years. You are claiming 7 years IT experience. Since you are not claiiming for these, only mention them on your CV, as you have done and leave it up to the VPO (Case Officer) In your case I severely doubt he/she would ask for it, since it is irrelevant.

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Thanks for your comment SurferMan, you have been immensely helpful in my application and on other threads I see, thank you!

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That's what we do up in here buddy, we help each other! I am glad to be of service. You are going to love Aus!

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Yeah so excited can't wait any longer to touchdown. Just got my PCC with the correct date of birth today. Now only resume and medicals upload (:

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