Got 190 for SA but jobs in other states

[Gya]

Hi,

I was sponsored by SA and got the PR last month, however I have been searching my related jobs (network engineering) and seem to be in other territories! I am aware of the two year "mandatory" stay in the state of sponsorship b4 moving else where though my visa condition says "NIL". What will happen in the case that I get a job else where b4 the 2 years? Has anyone been in this kind of dilemma? Is one denied citizenship at the end of 4 years stay on this visa because of not fulfilling this condition?

[Bronwyn&Co]

Hi,

I was sponsored by SA and got the PR last month, however I have been searching my related jobs (network engineering) and seem to be in other territories! I am aware of the two year "mandatory" stay in the state of sponsorship b4 moving else where though my visa condition says "NIL". What will happen in the case that I get a job else where b4 the 2 years? Has anyone been in this kind of dilemma? Is one denied citizenship at the end of 4 years stay on this visa because of not fulfilling this condition?

GYA I'm not 100% sure whether they can force you to stay in South Aus or not. Your visa is PR and truthfully I don't believe they would be able to enforce it (you need to make a living). I think it is more that they hope you will act in the spirit of the visa & find a job there and hopefully stay.

South Aus economy is really in the doldrums, they are desperate for qualified people to pick up the economy.

When you apply for citizenship there are no questions about where you live, as long as you have the 4 years in Australia.

I am inclined to say go where you can find a job if there is really nothing in South Aus. If your visa conditions say NIL then...? Maybe someone else has another opinion.

We were also state sponsored & we left South Aus 2 months after we got PR.

[Magenta]

I doubt that the Ozzie govt would want you to struggle in SA when you are able to get a better job in another state and therefore contribute more to the economy.

[Bronwyn&Co]

I doubt that the Ozzie govt would want you to struggle in SA when you are able to get a better job in another state and therefore contribute more to the economy.

This is true for PR but with a temporary visa they can and do kick you out.

[SurferMan]

Why dont you just go and see them and ask if you need permission/exemption. I have heard of many people that have asked and received just an exemption. B is spot on though, with a temp visa they can and do kick your ass out.

[Donovan83]

There's no legal requirement to stay in the sponsoring state. You can never even visit SA and live in Aus your whole life on PR and they cannot cancel it. On PR visas, it's a moral obligation to stay in the sponsoring state for 2+ years.

Provisional visas/regional visas have it as a legal requirement. If you don't comply then your visa gets cancelled.

[SurferMan]

Hey Donovan83,

How are finding perth vs melbourne mate? I am seriously thinking of moving over east due to Perths dying job market.

[Donovan83]

Hey Donovan83,

How are finding perth vs melbourne mate? I am seriously thinking of moving over east due to Perths dying job market.

Ehh... it's a tough question hey. I think I can only really answer that once I've lived in Melbourne for as long as I lived in Perth. I'm better now but I still have periods of homesickness.

In short, it's swings and roundabouts. Melbourne is nice because it's got a lot going on, great shopping, great eating out (which is more affordable and the service is much better), DRASTICALLY more affordable in terms of buying and renting fixed property, in fact overall the cost of living in Melbourne is much more manageable than it was in Perth (groceries are more or less the same). And as you mention the job market here is more varied and the economy isn't boom/bust so it's less volatile.

The downsides to Melbourne... well, the beaches aren'tas nice as the beaches in WA/QLD. The climate is also quite variable but not as bad as everyone makes out. I can still ride my bike around and go swimming for the majority of the year. I don't like that there's so much graffiti.

Nice place to live so far though. People here seem friendlier than Perth.

Why do you think the Perth job market is dying?

Edited September 9, 2014 by Donovan83

[SurferMan]

I work in SAP and large integration projects so I am in touch with the IT job trends. The big boys are all shedding people and the general consensus amonng born and bred Perth guys is that its even worse than the GFC. My boss is born and bred here, and is also looking east. There are very few new investments in Perth in terms of my line of work and all the action is over east. I could quite literally pick up the phone now, call some people over east and start a new job on Monday. A number of people I know very well are averaging between 2-9 months to get a new job. Been a recent trend now also to cut rates across the board. Just a really tough market, and the mining and oil & gas guys are coming out of ramp up/FEED mode and going into Ops, which means less contract work. Long term I see the east coast as viable, rather than Perth. Dont get me wrong, Im not keen to leave, but this poor little town is coming off the boom.

[Donovan83]

I think Perth will be fine. There's a correction going on, it was inevitable. I noticed things suddenly slowing down/changing around October 2013. Suddenly, one bedroom apartments in the CBD listed at $520 000 didn't have any attendees at the home opens. It was quite a shock how quickly it happened - literally one week was boom, the next week was bust. Take a drive down the East Perth end of Adelaide Terrace and take note of the sheer number of for sale signs - in 2012/early 2013 it was hard to find a place to rent, never mind buy.

Funny you mention the IT industry there - my other half looked and looked for work there but there was just nothing. No call backs, no interviews and not many jobs listed. In Melbourne, it's the opposite. Plenty of opportunity, and this is for someone with no Aussie experience yet.

I think that now that the boom is over, a lot of people are looking to move to the east coast cities. I don't mean to harp on about property there, but it just blew my mind how overpriced Perth is in that regard. The prices there have definitely gotten overheated. There's a lot of downward pressure that is about to be released - all the cashed up bogan types who were earning insanely (artificually) high salaries on the mines all went out and bought expensive properties and toys like jetskis and expensive cars, pushed prices sky high, borrowed to their limit based on the assumption that their unusually high salary was going to stay that high, are now being laid off or having to work for much less. Interest rates are probably going to start rising soon. The influx of people from the eastern states who were seeking the mining riches are heading back east, not in droves but a lot are. Less renters = more vacant properties = more people needing to sell or reduce rents. The way Aus (and Perth specifically) seems to work though is that the prices don't really drop, they just stagnate for long periods.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in WA over the next 5 years. Hopefully LNG starts to take off (it should do) soon to help out.

[SurferMan]

Very good insights mate, and agree Perth has some insane prices for things. For 500K I can get an awesome place in Brissie, good trying to get a decent home in a decent area in Perth. My other concern is I know the LNG wont be big in terms of work in my space, again a limited number of high end specialists all crammed into Perth. I know all about Adelaide terrace mate, I work there and we nearly bought a property there with the view to lease it back out. Thanks goodness we didnt, it was precisely the time you mentioned. Things fell through the floorboards. The same one we had our eye on, that the agent said is hot property, is standing empty now since Oct 2013....How ironic.

I have a mate who is a disel mech on the mine trucks. he went from >250K per annum to being a backyard mech. back in Perth. As far as I know the boom is over for his line of work. there is also much mechanisation going on, I know cos I helped design some of BHP's integration to the remote ops centre. SA will follow suit if they can get past the unions. So if Im playing the long game, the east coast is my only real option to find sustainable work. That said, Ive had a blessed and great run in Perth, having been without a contract for only 2 1/2 months in 4 years, which I class as a good run. If the timing is right, i may swing over there in the new year. Some monster SAP programmes of work kicking off. I don't like Sydney (Even though I aint been there!, lol) but it may become home.

[Bronwyn&Co]

Surferman a lot of Sydney is beautiful! I was surprised to see that, myself.

[SurferMan]

Where are good places to stay B?

[Donovan83]

Surferman a lot of Sydney is beautiful! I was surprised to see that, myself.

Beautiful, but very, very expensive even compared to Perth. Some places in Barangaroo (new development in the CBD) are being sold for something like $40,000 a square meter for an apartment - so the same 52 sqm place I mentioned in Perth for $500k would go for over $2m in Sydney!

You can get cheaper places of course but then you're going to live quite far out... for me, it's important not to have a long commute.

[SurferMan]

I commute well over an hour in Perth now so I dont mind.

[Gya]

Thanks for the advise

[Bronwyn&Co]

Where are good places to stay B?

Surferman I asked my brother who lives in Sydney & he replied as follows:-

"Hi Bron, where do they want to go in Sydney? North is easy - northern beaches. More north Gosford, Newcastle anywhere is good. West - Baulkham hills/Kellyville/ Parramarra and further out to Penrith. South can be from Botany/Bondi down to the Sutherland Shire and then further down to Wollongong. My hot tip is Berowra Waters which is 40 mins from the cbd and accessible from all over Sydney."?

Almost too many choices

[SurferMan]

Nice thanks B!

[KalahariHarry]

@bronwyn, did you apply to leave south aus?? Or did you just leave? We are act state sponsored and arrive in canberra 16 oct. So Id like to know what happen if I cant get work and need to move.

trev

[Bronwyn&Co]

@bronwyn, did you apply to leave south aus?? Or did you just leave? We are act state sponsored and arrive in canberra 16 oct. So Id like to know what happen if I cant get work and need to move.

trev

No we didn't apply. We waited for PR then left.

[Ericadslv]

We are in the same boat. Have ACT SS and there appear to be very few jobs in Canberra for my husband.

Trev - would like to hear what you do and how you go about it. We arrive in February 2015, so if we don't have to go to Canberra, then we'd prefer to rather go elsewhere from the outset, otherwise it becomes very costly. I suppose morally we would have to go there and try to look for work whilst there and if no luck, then advise our CO that we would like to move to another state????

[Donovan83]

The general rule is that because PR is granted by the commonwealth (federal level) government, and the requirement to live in a state for 2 years is prescribed at the state level, moving state cannot affect your PR.

The complication comes in (and I might be wrong here) is that the ACT is the federal level government from what I understand. So they could theoretically cancel your PR, although I've never heard of that ever happening.

SD_MOA would probably be able to help if you drop him a mail

[ORC]

I've read about this on other forums and would this not skew stats (just leaving without informing) as to people who really want to get into ACT or those who want to move to Sydney etc?

Surely the only reason to Apply for a 190 is because you're lacking the points and because you want in said state or live there vs using it to get PR then move?

I've also heard of this affected Citizenship later on as you're signing a declaration and handing that in.

I thought the process would be to inform the state that you cannot find a job and take it from there?

[Gya]

Hi guys,

Just as I was getting my mind at peace with this issue, I got an email below from the immigration department in South Australia.

"

Dear xxxxxx,

Our records show that you have been granted a state nominated skilled visa and have not registered your arrival online.

Immigration SA is required to monitor your residence in South Australia for the first two years after your arrival.

If you have arrived in South Australia, as required as part of your nomination approval, please register online as soon as possible. You are not required to register your arrival if you are only visiting Australia to validate your visa and then returning to your home country. You also are not required to register the arrival of any of your dependents.

Please register via the link below:
http://status.migration.sa.gov.au/survey/register_form?login=8927_b76bb5a8cd234238

If you haven't arrived in South Australia, please keep this email and register when you have arrived.

If you are not , please let us know. Send an email todsdimmigrationsaregistrations@sa.gov.au

Regards
Immigration SA Team

"

Looks like am back to the same worries. I have not stepped in SA a foot and therefore don't know what to do exactly. They must have seen that I settled in Victoria. Please experts/citizens I welcome your opinion.

Thanks

Edited December 27, 2014 by Gya

[RYLC]

I know of others who did move state but got permission first. Just picking and choosing to get the points isn't on in Australia. They have obviously tracked you so far so you'll probably need to do the right thing and contact them to find out what you should have done. It's best to come clean with them. Medicare tracks where you are so there is no hiding and just doing your own thing (which is hard to get used to from the way things are done in RSA). If you took the "ticket" then you have to use the "seats" - only fair in my opinion.