Having doubts leaving SA?

[TheMullers]

Just a little reminder why we chose to leave SA. This is sad but it is happening....

I thought this might help some people doubting whether they should make the move or not and those people contemplating to come back to SA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECs8ZrmH8D8&feature=youtu.be

[Jordy]

wow the guy is so calm....I suppose people expect it and so it isnt so shocking to the victim anymore.

glad they caught them!

[HadEnoughofJuju]

Way too calm if you ask me but that's the kind of things Saffa's are used to.

[Bronwyn&Co]

This was being discussed on Brisbane morning radio today, complete with ripping off the South African accent very badly. The presenters decided it was a set-up for Youtube

[rozellem]

Thats my home town. So proud. I recognise the area, towards Sir Lowry's Pass, where huge shanty towns have sprung up like mushrooms in recent years. Thousands of economic migrants from the Eastern Cape, the homelands, other failing provinces and the rest of Africa live there. Not to mention the locals and their tik habits.

[Crossedover]

Sadly whether this was a set up or not, it is happening ! Caught on video or not.... It breaks my heart. We are no longer shocked, we almost live waiting for something to happen.

[mistermoose]

Sadly whether this was a set up or not, it is happening ! Caught on video or not.... It breaks my heart. We are no longer shocked, we almost live waiting for something to happen.

Looking at your signature Crossingover, are you guys still planning on moving over at some point? What are the contributing factors to that decision for you?

[HansaPlease]

He did exactly what you're supposed to to when three men and a firearm rob you - shut up, keep calm and do as you're told. I don't really think it's because he expected it or is used to it?

It's not like panicking, screaming or throwing punches is going to help unless you're very well trained in the third one.

[AndreaL]

This has been all over the news here, I'm with Hansa re his reaction....................who knows, it may not be the first time for him.

[HadEnoughofJuju]

When I said way too calm I was referring to the fact that there was no sign of stress in his voice. One can tell a lot from the tone and pitch of a voice. It saddens me that this is such common place that people are forced to teach their children about high jackings and how to ack in these kinds of situations.

I would never suggest that one fight back when you are out numbered 3 to 1 and there's a gun in the mix, that would just end badly for some or all of those involved. I guess I've just forgotten what it was like to live with the constant fear of when and not if something would happen.

[HansaPlease]

It's funny, I actually interpreted it differently in that I DID think he had stress in his tone as you would expect but then again, I guess it's up for interpretation.

Yes, that freedom we have over here is something you can easily take for granted. I was just thinking that last weekend when a kangaroo jumped out in front of me on my trail run.

Scared the hebejebedebees out of me!

[AndreaL]

..............And last night I went out to the pub and tottered home on my own with not a care or fear in the world.................# feeling lucky to live here.

[Donovan83]

..............And last night I went out to the pub and tottered home on my own with not a care or fear in the world.................# feeling lucky to live here.

Last night I cycled 40km in the dark from Kwinana to the CBD. Went through bushland, secluded bike paths, along the freeway, round the city.

Oh how I do miss Africa. Just so much (sarcasm).

[Bronwyn&Co]

..............And last night I went out to the pub and tottered home on my own with not a care or fear in the world.................# feeling lucky to live here.

I wouldn't do that Andrea, and nor would any of the other women I know that live in Brisbane. Don't you ever watch crime shows on TV?? Eish! I don't even let my 19 year old walk across the park to her mate's house at night, unless her brother is with her or she stays on the phone with me while she walks. I think you're waaay too complacent.

Crime happens everywhere ?

Edited June 6, 2014 by Bronwyn&Co

[AndreaL]

I wouldn't do that Andrea, and nor would any of the other women I know that live in Brisbane. Don't you ever watch crime shows on TV?? Eish! I don't even let my 19 year old walk across the park to her mate's house at night, unless her brother is with her or she stays on the phone with me while she walks. I think you're waaay too complacent.

Crime happens everywhere

Bronwyn, I live in a tiny mining town where everyone knows everyone, the worst thing that happens here is the odd punch up outside the bar, I walk along the main road, with plenty of cars, people sitting on their patios, shouting out " Hello Andrea"............this town is safer than the mining town I grew up in, in the 80's.

If I lived in Brisbane I would probably behave differently................no wait, I probably wouldn't, I flew to Brisvegas for a back operation 2 years ago and walked the streets at night on my own for a takeaway and even went and had a beer in a pub on my own.

[Bronwyn&Co]

Bronwyn, I live in a tiny mining town where everyone knows everyone, the worst thing that happens here is the odd punch up outside the bar, I walk along the main road, with plenty of cars, people sitting on their patios, shouting out " Hello Andrea"............this town is safer than the mining town I grew up in, in the 80's.

If I lived in Brisbane I would probably behave differently................no wait, I probably wouldn't, I flew to Brisvegas for a back operation 2 years ago and walked the streets at night on my own for a takeaway and even went and had a beer in a pub on my own.

I would walk around in the brightly lit city at night alone, but probably not in the 'burbs. There are too many woods around us & it's spooky. Maybe I watch too much Crime channel ;-) Your neigbourhood sounds nice.

[AndreaL]

I would walk around in the brightly lit city at night alone, but probably not in the 'burbs. There are too many woods around us & it's spooky. Maybe I watch too much Crime channel ;-) Your neigbourhood sounds nice.

It is and isn't..............very few shops, not a lot to do, but community wise it is fantastic.............when one of our own needs help, the entire community rallies round..............just little things like if I have a big harvest of herbs, i put word out on my FB community notice board and there are people who will say, "yeah, I'll have a bunch of basil and bring you a bunch of parsley", if any of us Mums are in Mackay for business/medical (a 400km round trip) and running late, there are loads of people willing to pick up your littly from school, feed them etc until you get back.................it is strange in some ways, last night I was at a birthday party, the partner of my dentist and most of the guests were local business owners and medical professionals......including my own Dr, so it is odd having a knees up with your own GP.................but we all respect one anothers professional boundaries................I've had piss ups with teachers and all sorts...................they are just people, like the rest of us.

BTW, if any of you watch the Voice Australia.....Taila Gouge is one of our locals, her Mum is Deputy Head at my son's school.

[Bronwyn&Co]

Andrea do you remember the Allison Baden-Clay murder? That was just about 2km's from my house and it was a big deal, mother of 3 little girls disappearing on an early morning walk...we all collected money for her girls etc. A couple of weeks later her body turned up in the creek. We were all freaked out. They even set up a mannequin of her at our Coles roundabout while she was missing.

After that - no more walking at night for us.

Anyhow...Turned out it was her husband...trial starts very soon, but it was him ?

Don't watch the voice, hooked on Masterchef at the moment.

Edited June 6, 2014 by Bronwyn&Co

[Johnno]

He did exactly what you're supposed to to when three men and a firearm rob you - shut up, keep calm and do as you're told. I don't really think it's because he expected it or is used to it?

It's not like panicking, screaming or throwing punches is going to help unless you're very well trained in the third one.

correct Hansa, even the Brazilian Gov is giving the same advice for visitors to the SWC2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2634876/Dont-use-phone-public-never-argue-muggers-World-Cup-fans-given-fresh-warning-Brazil-crime-epidemic-police-STRIKE.html

[MannyT]

Here on the Sunshine Coast, it's relatively safe..:)

Here we are "aware but not alarmed".

Enjoy!

[HadEnoughofJuju]

People here on the Sunny Coast are just way too relaxed to be worried and alarmed. If someone was to break in while you were at home they would run a mile if you started shouting at them in colorful Afrikaans phrases. I love the peace and quite at nights.

[nicknel]

My husband was talking on his phone in front of VW somewhere in Freestate(whily they fixed his car) and the next moment there is a guy that grabbed him from behind with a knife and held him while the other guy stole his cell and looked for cash in the wallet. this happened in the middle of the day. No one saw anything, when my husband ran back inside to call the cops the guys at VW couldn't believe it.

We live on a farm in Kromdraai/Muldersdrift and a few weeks ago we heard a knock on the door at 23h00 and we thought it was strange. So my husband opened the sliding door just enough for him to hear the guy speak, well he said he was lost and that my husband must come out of the house to quickly show him how to get back to the road (Our house is IN the freaken drive-way) so obviously we knew something was off and my husband just said he is going to call the police and slammed the door shut. Too many murders here in Muldersdrift already. A father was killed in front of his 3 year old son last year also in Muldersdrift, I have a 3 year old son, when that guy knocked on the door that story immediately came up and I got a lump in my throught. I cant wait to be in a country where I can feel safe and free.

[Fish]

I wouldn't do that Andrea, and nor would any of the other women I know that live in Brisbane. Don't you ever watch crime shows on TV?? Eish! I don't even let my 19 year old walk across the park to her mate's house at night, unless her brother is with her or she stays on the phone with me while she walks. I think you're waaay too complacent.

Crime happens everywhere

I think it depends in Brisbane. Checked with my wife...she says she would feel safe up to around 11pm to walk from the bus stop at Ashgrove shops...it's not far though and not through any parks. At our old house in Rosalie there were lots of people of both sexes walking around after dark in the surrounding streets up to around 9pm or later. Agree dark parks in the suburbs would be no go though...more from worry than reality as it can happen but is still relatively rare.

Edited June 28, 2014 by Fish

[Bronwyn&Co]

I think it depends in Brisbane. Checked with my wife...she says she would feel safe up to around 11pm to walk from the bus stop at Ashgrove shops...it's not far though and not through any parks. At our old house in Rosalie there were lots of people of both sexes walking around after dark in the surrounding streets up to around 9pm or later. Agree dark parks in the suburbs would be no go though...more from worry than reality as it can happen but is still relatively rare.

Fish we are practically neighbors as I spend a lot of time around your area. We should have coffee or a pizza at The Grove.

We're in FTP, so lots of dark woody stretches and eerie-sounding birds.

Plus who knows if poor Alison Baden-Clay's murderer is still hanging around these parts ? (yeah I think we all know where he is).

Edited June 28, 2014 by Bronwyn&Co

[AndreaL]

Fish we are practically neighbors as I spend a lot of time around your area. We should have coffee or a pizza at The Grove.

We're in FTP, so lots of dark woody stretches and eerie-sounding birds.

Plus who knows if poor Alison Baden-Clay's murderer is still hanging around these parts (yeah I think we all know where he is).

That is the thing.................more than 60% of murders of women are committed by their significant other or someone known to them.............just as an indicator, of the 2006/7 murders of women, 55 in total, 21 were killed by intimates, 16 by family, 12 by friends/acquaintances, 3 by strangers and 3 by other.

So only 6 of those women did not know their killer.................now I know that there are other awful things that can happen to you, but that just gives a bit of perspective..........................why can't men just divorce their wives, why do they have to kill them? (Just thinking of the recent case of the two South African Dr's)

[Johnno]

things livening up a bit in Adelaide....

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/06/30/11/52/sa-school-in-lockdown-after-home-invasion

That is the thing.................more than 60% of murders of women are committed by their significant other or someone known to them.............just as an indicator, of the 2006/7 murders of women, 55 in total, 21 were killed by intimates, 16 by family, 12 by friends/acquaintances, 3 by strangers and 3 by other.

So only 6 of those women did not know their killer.................now I know that there are other awful things that can happen to you, but that just gives a bit of perspective..........................why can't men just divorce their wives, why do they have to kill them? (Just thinking of the recent case of the two South African Dr's)

Talking of giving things a bit of perspective, did you know that 87% of the murder victims in the WC are male, black and between the ages of 18-35 yr old. Not sure about you guys but I do not fall into this demographic and nor do I hang out in shabeens in townships. Never have, they've always appeared too dangerous to me and now we know why.

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/profile-of-a-typical-cape-murder-victim-1.1390340#.U7Da7rHuzk8

Edited June 30, 2014 by Johnno