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http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/03/29/175626824/the-number-of-early-childhood-vaccines-not-linked-to-autism

This article has some sensible logic...

The study, by researchers at the Center for Disease Control and
Prevention, found no connection between the number of vaccines a child
received and his or her risk of autism spectrum disorder. It also found
that even though kids are getting more vaccines these days, those
vaccines contain many fewer of the substances that provoke an immune
response.

The finding came as no surprise to researchers who study the immune
system, DeStefano says. After all, he says, kids are exposed to antigens
all the time in the form of bacteria and viruses. "It's not really
clear why a few more antigens from vaccines would be something that the
immune system could not handle," he says.

The study also found
that even though the number of vaccines has gone up, the number of
antigens in vaccines has gone down markedly. In the late-1990s, the
vaccination schedule exposed children to several thousand antigens, the
study says. But by 2012, that number had fallen to 315.

"The sad part is, by focusing on the question of whether vaccines cause
autism spectrum disorders, they're missing the opportunity to look at
what the real causes are," she says. "It's not vaccines."

I think that those against vaccination have now moved onto Vitamin D deficiency as a possible causal agent.....http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Researcher%20sees%20link.asp

The idea that vitamin D deficiency may have a
link to autism isn't as farfetched as it once
might have seemed because the deficiency is also
emerging as a possible cause of many diverse illnesses,
ranging from multiple sclerosis to cancer.

Hhhhhmmmmm, until another likely candidate emerges.

It seems the more we know, the less we know.

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now that i read this Andrea - I realised I have to check if my kids' vaccines are up to date!

thanx...another item to my list :)

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Don't worry if they aren't, it will give you a chance to put them on the childhood immunisation registry here....who knows you may get some type of payment. How old are the kids Toitjie? Girls of 13 ( year 8) get the hepatitis B vaccinations, chicken pox and HPV at school, the HPV will soon be rolled out to boys also.

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If your kids are older it's better to have them done in South Africa as here you need to pay and it's quite expensive. For younger children its free but for older ones not. I know as my eleven year old is missing one meningitis vaccination and costs I think $80.

Oh yes here is the link: Meningococcal C is available free to children aged 12 months and those born on or after 1 January 2002. Older children can receive the vaccination for a fee of $80.00 (refer to attached form).

She unfortunately was born in 2001 so has to pay!!

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They are currently 7 and 8 and by the time we land (if September) they will be 7 and 9. They both got the chickenpox vaccine which was at the time not compulsory, but Im sure there are others. I was very diligent to get vaccines when they were under 5 but lately I havent thought about is much....

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Then they should still get the catch up ones for free - just contact your local council or visit your GP once you arrive.

My GP doesn't charge a fee when I just see the nurse for vaccination.

But remember that the school wants a copy of their vaccination certificates so you need to do it quite quickly. But the council is very helpful - they check your book and give you a list of the ones which still needs to be done.

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A few of the schools my children have been at didn't ask for the vaccination certificates, and for those people who choose to not vaccinate, you can download a form, something along the lines of conscientious objection to vaccination. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think you pay if you visit the community health nurse, ususally attached to a clinic or local hospital. If you are 457 you will pay, unless you get a helpful community nurse.

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We are on 457 and did not pay for our kids (4 yrs and 7 yrs) vaccinations - we only paid for the doctor's fee of $70 (which our medical aid covered), but the vaccines itself were free :ilikeit:

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Amaroo sent their forms to me today, and vaccination record is one of the requirements...so I guess this week it will be it. Shame, the whole household is getting shots, the animals and the kids :)

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I just finished catching my three up with their vacs and it was pretty straight forward. I went to the gp with my three clinic cards (They dont use the card system here) and he did a full breakdown of what I still needed. The nurse then called me and I set up appointments. I took all three on the same day after school and they all got their jabs. No cost at all for any of it.

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Wonderful......hmmmm, I must have slipped through the cracks somewhere because I certainly remember paying for one immunisation, but I'm glad that others have been helped.:)

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Any info on the anti-cervical cancer vaccination they were giving to girls a few years ago?

Know my daughter was given it at school.

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It is now available for boys at school too. http://hpv.health.gov.au/

Is it safe? Yes......http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2009/how-safe-is-the-hpv-vaccine/

No.......http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/10/16/unproven-hpv-vaccine-safety.aspx

Maybe.......http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/prevention/HPV-vaccine

In 2011, more than 12,000 women in the United States are expected to
be diagnosed with cervical cancer and more than 4,000 are expected to
die from it (1). Nearly half a million women develop cervical cancer each year worldwide, and more than a quarter of a million die from it.

High-risk
HPV types also cause most anal cancers. Although anal cancer is
uncommon, more than 5,000 men and women in the United States are
expected to be diagnosed with the disease in 2011 and 770 people are
expected to die because of it (1).

Like any other vaccination, you weigh up the potential for contacting the disease against the potential of side effects of the vaccination, the severity of both....calculate the odds, and make an informed decision.

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Wow, As a science student, one must always have a certain amount of scepticism,and examine all of the facts..................but when one chooses denial over scepticism...........just look what happens.

My one wish is that science will uncover the cause of autism.

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Andrea, a recent study showed that women who live close to farmlands where pesticides are used are 60% more likely to have kids with autism or other developmental disorders/delays.

http://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20140623/study-links-pesticide-exposure-during-pregnancy-to-autism-risk-in-kids

obviously there are flaws, but I think that is still a statistically important incidence. Enough of one to hopefully lead to better, more in-depth studies on what it is about being close to pesticides, is it the levels? the kinds of chemicals? eating local food sprayed with those pesticides...? Maybe it's a specific mix of different pesticides?

Anyway, thought it was interesting.

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I am interested to know what is the general rule in Oz regarding vaccinations? Can you refuse to have them done if you don't want to?

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I know you don't have to vaccinate them. My brother has two little ones (born in Oz), as healthy as can be and they decided not to vaccinate them. Not sure if some pre-schools might refuse them on these grounds.

We are expecting our first here in Aus and the forms from the hosital gives you a choice as to what and if any vaccinations you want done on your kid when born.

ps....I saw a Osteopath in SA just before we came over and he said to me that it is vital to take Vit D suppliments while pregnant, even if you decide to take no other vitamins. He firmly believes that the Vit D deficiency is linked to Austim and many other developmental problems.

I have also read as study where a woman had twins, both vaccinated, one developed Austism and the other not....so was it the vaccine or not? It could be that she got enough Vit D in for one baby to take more than the other and this resulted in the one having a stronger immune system than the other. I am not a scientist in any form or shape....this is just my take on it....

so true, the more we find out, the less we know

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There is no link established between vaccines and autism found by any sciences based studies, and there are massive numbers of studies involving hundreds of thousands of kids that disprove the link, There are also a large number of kids who have not been vaccinated who have autism, something that the quacks cant answer.

Any of these articles that say otherwise end up falling to pieces when you dig a little bit and normally find that the person giving the medical advice is not qualified to do so and is making a ton of money selling whatever his snake oil is on the side.

I recommend you read this thread:

http://www.saaustralia.org/index.php/topic/35772-can-autism-be-cured/

To answer your question though, you can fill in a form and state that you refuse to have your kids vaccinated, there are medicare implications with things like reduces government tax rebates, also the schools need to be notified of this and should there be an incidence of a vaccine preventable disease at the school they will send you kids home until it has cleared up, there is also a lot of talk about schools being able to deny un-vaccinated kids entry for the safety of the vaccinated kids, remember vaccination reduces your chance of getting something by around 90%, however the un-vaccinated kids will get it and then increase the chance of the vaccinated getting it.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/day-care-ban-for-unvaccinated-children-heavy-handed-says-expert-20130520-2jwyh.html

We have a kid arriving in January, it will be vaccinated as well as the next one, and i will be supporting the banning of un-vaccinated kids from any school my kids attend as they will be putting my kids at risk, the only exception is if the kid has a genuine medical reason for not being able to vaccinate (They are rare, but do exist)

PS. I have done a LOT of research on this and am quite passionate as you can hear, Feel free to debate it with me as i don't mind debating the facts on this (Even though i'm not a health professional)

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Thanks for the info :) My kids have already had vaccinations but my daughter mentioned that the school said that next year she is supposed to get some or other vaccination.

I know there was mention a while back of such a vaccination for young girls and I checked the side effects and I was not happy with that particular one.

I know it is not related to early childhood vaccines but I thought that this thread would be a good place to ask about Australian policy regarding this.

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All good,

Here is an interesting science read on the HPV Vaccine,

http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/hpv-vaccine-what-you-need-know

It saves a lot of women from cervical cancer, not nearly as high an incidence as with the infectious diseases vaccines so if you not happy with this one you should be able to skip without the government or schools giving you a hard time.

Just bear in mind that they always give the same weight to the possible reactions regardless of how rare they are, reactions to peanuts kill people but we don't all stop eating peanuts just in case, because it is so rare.

As an example here are some side effects for a common medicine:

  • Bloody or black, tarry stools
  • bloody or cloudy urine
  • fever with or without chills (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
  • pain in the lower back and/or side (severe and/or sharp)
  • pinpoint red spots on the skinicon1.png
  • skin rash, hives, or itching
  • sore throat (not present before treatment and not caused by the condition being treated)
  • sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth
  • sudden decrease in the amount of urine
  • unusual bleeding or bruising
  • unusual tiredness or weakness
  • yellow eyes or skin

Would you believe this is for Paracetamol?

Hope this helps :)


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I would believe it is for paracetamol :-) We rarely take medication. Only when absolutely necessary. I try to find a natural alternative before turning to man made concoctions.

As you mentioned Nev, not everyone has the same reaction to things... What I do well know for sure is that it is important to make well informed decisions especially regarding your health and that of your family.

Regarding vaccines, it isn't an exact science. Our daughter had her 9 month vaccination (a measel vaccination) and a day thereafter contracted German Measels quite severely to the point that 2 doctors diagnosed bacterial meningitis.

Being told your child had possibly just hours left to live will most certainly make you consider the pro's and cons before just going along with the government recommended schedule.

Thanks for the info re HPV Vac :)

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My one wish is that science will uncover the cause of autism.

Getting closer......about clinical research done to characterize behavior, brain structure and function in people with genetic variations that may relate to autism.

http://www.ted.com/talks/wendy_chung_autism_what_we_know_and_what_we_don_t_know_yet

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Ok... bear with me, because I honestly don't understand this (not trying to be difficult, looking for answers!)

Child A is fully vaccinated. They are now "protected" against specific diseases.

Child B is not vaccinated at all. They are not "protected".

What I don't understand is this: How does Child B put Child A at risk? Child A is protected against these diseases, n'est-ce pas? So surely the only child in danger of contracting these diseases is Child B? [yes, I am oversimplifying, I am only considering two groups of people in my quest to understand this single point - I have intentionally left out populations who have not yet, or cannot ever have, the vaccines]

To me if you vaccinate and you hear there's a measles outbreak at your child's school, you should be going "whew, well, at least little Timmy is covered!", you shouldn't be going "those dratted non-vaccinated kids are so dangerous, they're going to make my kid sick!"

Can someone shed some light, please?

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